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    No more foreigners in France team says Laporte

    Laporte has asked Noves to no longer select eligible players into the French national team. Foreign born players will have to be French citizen before they can aspire to selection. The residency rule is not a valid criteria for selection according to Laporte.

    This does not impact players already selected and holder of a French passport (or in the process of). Currently Atonio, Nakaitaci, Spedding who are in the France group.

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    I'm not sure how it works in England, if the players concerned - Hartley, Harrison etc have British passports, but here in France it can only be a good thing, as it will undoubtedly give preference to young French players coming through the academies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJFlash View Post
    I'm not sure how it works in England, if the players concerned - Hartley, Harrison etc have British passports, but here in France it can only be a good thing, as it will undoubtedly give preference to young French players coming through the academies.
    Hartley has been in England since he was 16.
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    I thought it was 13?
    Either way both Harrison and Hartley were eligible for English passports from birth, from what I remember

    Think Hughes would be the only player in the England squad that would be in trouble if it came into effect over here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRF_Olyy View Post
    I thought it was 13?
    Either way both Harrison and Hartley were eligible for English passports from birth, from what I remember

    Think Hughes would be the only player in the England squad that would be in trouble if it came into effect over here.
    I'm pretty sure he played in the Rotorua Boys High School 1st XV along side Liam Messam, that won the national title, so 16 sounds more likely.

    It is interesting to contemplate what effect it would have on club recruitment of overseas players, if more of the national bodies took this stance, and tightened the limits on how many non-eligible players can play. I know it probably won't effect the french clubs too much, as they aren't that closely aligned with the FFR, and probably are the dominant power in French Rugby ... it's not in their interests to have players away playing test matches, so they'll probably recruit the same way they've always done.

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    Good for France and the Islands indeed. I've always thought it was ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Car View Post
    Good for France and the Islands indeed. I've always thought it was ridiculous.
    Yes agreed, but surely its time Oz and NZ were stopped from pillaging from the Islands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
    Its too short. IMO, it should be at least 5 years (I would prefer 8 years personally) but that period should not extend back to less than the age of 17. For example, I would not like to see a 15 year old, who emigrates to a new country with his parents (so not his choice) being restricted until he was 23 years old.

    An adult rugby player who has played elite rugby in the country of his birth, should not be eligible to play for another country until they have resided in their new country for 8 years. This would put a stop to players like Spedding (France), Stander (Ireland), Anscombe (Wales), Nel (Scotland), van Schalkwyk (Italy) and Payne (Ireland) turning out for those countries until they had resided and played rugby there for 8 years.

    I would also ditch the grandparent rule.
    I think 5 years would be right, oh and you can have Anscombe back he is very average.

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    All top tier teams should adopt this. The residency rule was set originally to support developing nations such as Italy and Japan not allow the likes of England, Ireland, SA, NZ and France bolster their already large squads with foreign players.

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    Aus, Scotland and Ireland are prob the biggest obstacles currently
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    Good move by Laporte. I know it turns a lot of French fans off supporting France.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tigs Man View Post
    Aus, Scotland and Ireland are prob the biggest obstacles currently

    The IRFU said they're not too bothered if it changes. I'd say thats the truth. They've already benefited from it and I'd say only Bundee Aki is being lined up now and although hes a good player, we've loads of young centers.


    Aus seems to be the country taking most advantage of it these days. You can see they've been raiding the pacific islands for talent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by profitius View Post
    Aus seems to be the country taking most advantage of it these days. You can see they've been raiding the pacific islands for talent.
    Really?

    Well, here is a list of the "brown faces" in the 2016 Wallabies squad (the brown faces are the ones you will be talking about!)

    Allan Alaalatoa - born in Sydney, Australia
    Israel Folau - born in Minto, Australia
    Sekope Kepu - born in Sydney, Australia

    Tevita Kuridrani - born in Suva, Fiji - emigrated to Australia in 2007 (16 yo)
    Tolu Latu - born in Nuku-alofa, Tonga - emigrated to with his parents Australia in 2002 when he was a 9 yo

    Sefanaia Naivalu - born in Levuka, Fiji - emigrated to Australia at the age of 22.
    Scott Sio - born in Syndey, Australia
    Will Skelton - born in Auckland, New Zealand - emigrated with his family to Australia in 2002 (10 yo)
    Henry Speight - born in Suva, Fiji - moved to New Zealand with his parents when he was 14. Played for Waikato 2008-11 before being picked up by the Brumbies
    Lopeti Timani - born in Navutoka, Tonga - moved to Australia as an adult, of around 21 years of age

    The gold names were born in Australia
    The green names have lived all their adult lives in Australia
    The black name started his adult rugby career in NZ before moving to Australia.

    Out of the ten brown faces in the Aussie team, there are only two that you might fairly level a "raiding" charge over.. Timani and Naivalu.

    Now I'm not normally one who will jump to the defence of Aussies, but frankly, your statement that they have been "raiding the pacific islands for talent" is complete bullsh¡t. IMO, its just another tedious repetition of the "poaching" meme and its really getting old.

    I don't want to turn this into a poaching argument thread, but by the same token, I'm not letting your bullsh¡t go unchallenged either!
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    Quote Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
    Really?

    Well, here is a list of the "brown faces" in the 2016 Wallabies squad (the brown faces are the ones you will be talking about!)

    Allan Alaalatoa - born in Sydney, Australia
    Israel Folau - born in Minto, Australia
    Sekope Kepu - born in Sydney, Australia

    Tevita Kuridrani - born in Suva, Fiji - emigrated to Australia in 2007 (16 yo)
    Tolu Latu - born in Nuku-alofa, Tonga - emigrated to with his parents Australia in 2002 when he was a 9 yo

    Sefanaia Naivalu - born in Levuka, Fiji - emigrated to Australia at the age of 22.
    Scott Sio - born in Syndey, Australia
    Will Skelton - born in Auckland, New Zealand - emigrated with his family to Australia in 2002 (10 yo)
    Henry Speight - born in Suva, Fiji - moved to New Zealand with his parents when he was 14. Played for Waikato 2008-11 before being picked up by the Brumbies
    Lopeti Timani - born in Navutoka, Tonga - moved to Australia as an adult, of around 21 years of age

    The gold names were born in Australia
    The green names have lived all their adult lives in Australia
    The black name started his adult rugby career in NZ before moving to Australia.

    Out of the ten brown faces in the Aussie team, there are only two that you might fairly level a "raiding" charge over.. Timani and Naivalu.

    Now I'm not normally one who will jump to the defence of Aussies, but frankly, your statement that they have been "raiding the pacific islands for talent" is complete bullsh¡t. IMO, its just another tedious repetition of the "poaching" meme and its really getting old.

    I don't want to turn this into a poaching argument thread, but by the same token, I'm not letting your bullsh¡t go unchallenged either!
    Brown faces?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by stus768 View Post
    Brown faces?????

    Yes, brown faces. Its not meant to be demeaning, it is simply describing the appearance of the players that profitius is talking about when he says "You can see they've been raiding the pacific islands for talent".

    Perhaps you can come up with a politically correct (i.e. more acceptable) way of describing the appearance of Pacific Island players that doesn't involve mentioning the colour of their skin. If you can, and I think its better than what I've used, I'll edit my post and make the changes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
    Really?

    Well, here is a list of the "brown faces" in the 2016 Wallabies squad (the brown faces are the ones you will be talking about!)

    Allan Alaalatoa - born in Sydney, Australia
    Israel Folau - born in Minto, Australia
    Sekope Kepu - born in Sydney, Australia

    Tevita Kuridrani - born in Suva, Fiji - emigrated to Australia in 2007 (16 yo)
    Tolu Latu - born in Nuku-alofa, Tonga - emigrated to with his parents Australia in 2002 when he was a 9 yo

    Sefanaia Naivalu - born in Levuka, Fiji - emigrated to Australia at the age of 22.
    Scott Sio - born in Syndey, Australia
    Will Skelton - born in Auckland, New Zealand - emigrated with his family to Australia in 2002 (10 yo)
    Henry Speight - born in Suva, Fiji - moved to New Zealand with his parents when he was 14. Played for Waikato 2008-11 before being picked up by the Brumbies
    Lopeti Timani - born in Navutoka, Tonga - moved to Australia as an adult, of around 21 years of age

    The gold names were born in Australia
    The green names have lived all their adult lives in Australia
    The black name started his adult rugby career in NZ before moving to Australia.

    Out of the ten brown faces in the Aussie team, there are only two that you might fairly level a "raiding" charge over.. Timani and Naivalu.

    Now I'm not normally one who will jump to the defence of Aussies, but frankly, your statement that they have been "raiding the pacific islands for talent" is complete bullsh¡t. IMO, its just another tedious repetition of the "poaching" meme and its really getting old.

    I don't want to turn this into a poaching argument thread, but by the same token, I'm not letting your bullsh¡t go unchallenged either!
    You've proved my point. They've a squad packed with Pacific islanders. They are also very keen for the residency rules to not be changed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by profitius View Post
    You've proved my point. They've a squad packed with Pacific islanders.


    Utter bollocks. That is not what you originally claimed. You accused them of "raiding the Pacific Islands for talent". Are you trying to say that Australian born people of Pacific Islands decent, and foreign born children who were raised and educated and have worked all their adult lives in Australia, and who have settled there and have family there, should not be allowed to play for Australia?

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    They are also very keen for the residency rules to not be changed.
    1. You have evidence of this? If so present it.... PUOSU

    2. The proposed changes would affect only one current Wallaby squad member (Sefania Naivalu) because he is not yet an Australian citizen. The rest are, so they they would all still be eligible to play for Australia.
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    Just has a quick Google and it turns out he was 15.
    Makes more sense than 13, as I know he went back to his school during the NZ RWC and you wouldn't do that for a school you were only at for a year or two.
    He also played alongside Kelly Haimona, the "Italian" flyhalf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRF_Olyy View Post
    Just has a quick Google and it turns out he was 15.
    Makes more sense than 13, as I know he went back to his school during the NZ RWC and you wouldn't do that for a school you were only at for a year or two.
    He also played alongside Kelly Haimona, the "Italian" flyhalf.
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    Fantastic to see someone in a position of authority realise that mercenary use of residency rules makes a mockery of international sport and can be a big turn off for people like me. I hope France thrash the other 6N sides and show that focussing 100% on developing your own players does not mean undermining long term success.

    I think i read he also wants less foreign players in the club's squads? If so, this may reduce inflation in Pro12 clubs wages and help player retention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce_ma_goose View Post
    Fantastic to see someone in a position of authority realise that mercenary use of residency rules makes a mockery of international sport and can be a big turn off for people like me. I hope France thrash the other 6N sides and show that focussing 100% on developing your own players does not mean undermining long term success.
    I very much doubt that.

    I think i read he also wants less foreign players in the club's squads? If so, this may reduce inflation in Pro12 clubs wages and help player retention.
    Maybe he does. Unfortunately there's very little Laporte can do about it in this instance. The recruitment by Top 14 clubs is out of his reach. There is a limit to his power as FFr president. If he can broker a deal with the clubs to centrally contract the internationals it'll be a real achievement but he can't dictate recruitment.

    Some traditional clubs like Toulouse and Clermont will 'play the game' with the union and keep a balance btw imports and home grown which Toulouse successfully have done for 2 decades.
    Others will keep buying foreign because that's all they know and because they can afford it. So the wages inflation we've seen will not go away that quickly unfortunately. I mean we know who is driving that wages inflation and it ain't Toulouse. Dusautoir our biggest salary is on less than half the money Carter is on...
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrenchFan View Post
    I very much doubt that.



    Maybe he does. Unfortunately there's very little Laporte can do about it in this instance. The recruitment by Top 14 clubs is out of his reach. There is a limit to his power as FFr president. If he can broker a deal with the clubs to centrally contract the internationals it'll be a real achievement but he can't dictate recruitment.

    Some traditional clubs like Toulouse and Clermont will 'play the game' with the union and keep a balance btw imports and home grown which Toulouse successfully have done for 2 decades.
    Others will keep buying foreign because that's all they know and because they can afford it. So the wages inflation we've seen will not go away that quickly unfortunately. I mean we know who is driving that wages inflation and it ain't Toulouse. Dusautoir our biggest salary is on less than half the money Carter is on...
    I remember reading an interview with Mourad and he said that the way to increase the amount of young French players getting game time from the academy systems in particular is to bring in transfer fees for academy graduates, so you have an incentive to develop them instead of just buying in cheap foreign talent... also to improve French players through better coaching and systems. With how big the Top 14 monster is could that be the only realistic approach?

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