England tour of Argentina
Will argentina have a full strength side?
With how theyve improved over recent years putting a second string team with players who some have which have bearly played in the prem never mind international is that going to be too much for them? And for england losing 16 of our top players to the lions?
Just dont want to get beat then use the excuse of youth and inexperience.
21-04-17 10:32 PM
I'm going to do my best not to write an essay here, but here are my thoughts:
On recent form, Genge was an obvious pick. Mullan is slightly lucky to be there, but on the basis that that two of the five props are uncapped and Genge and Hill share all of 6 caps between them, we needed some test experience and Mullan was the most likely candidate.
Selecting Collier and Williams isn't really a huge surprise given Brookes' lack of form and Thomas and Cooper-Woolley's injury hit seasons. I actually like the idea of us developing a strong scrummaging tighthead and I think Collier and Williams will fight it out to start with Hill as a more dynamic 'finisher'. If either or both go well, I could see them usurping Hill in the EPS once we can pick a full squad again.
Unlucky: The two Worcester props. Rapava-Ruskin must have been close, but I can understand why Mullan edged it. Not much to choose between Schonert, Collier and Williams IMO. Nathan Catt is also unlucky given his previous call-up.
Not much to debate here. After his Lions snub, Hartley was always going to be picked. Like Mullan, I assume Cowan-Dickie has been picked on the basis that he has more test experience/time in the camp than Taylor. It's a very tough call on Taylor, but not overly controversial considering we are only taking two hookers.
Errr ... pretty strange here. Only taking three locks is both a bizarre and risky call. Launchbury was the obvious pick and Ewels is no surprise, but I'm amazed Isiekwe got the call. Undoubtedly he has bags of potential, but personally I think it's too soon - particularly given he is basically guaranteed to play. I could have understood picking Isiekwe more if we were taking a fourth lock and he was going for experience in the test set-up, but Eddie seems to think he's ready ...
Barring injury, our locks for the world cup will be Itoje, Kruis, Launchbury and Lawes with Ewels as the reserve. I understand that it's very unlikely someone is going to leapfrog the first four in the next two years, but given the attritional nature of playing in the second row, I think we should have taken the opportunity to blood at least one more lock.
Unlucky: Quite a few. Attwood must feel his time in the England picture is over. IMO, his experience would have been beneficial so I'm surprised he's been excluded. Had we decided to go for other new faces, I would have gone for Symons or Barrow (or both). George Merrick is also apparently rated, so slightly surprised he didn't get a look-in.
Only taking one 8 is another unnecessary risk IMO. However, it suggests to me that Eddie feels (correctly) as though our more pressing issues in the back row are in the 6 and 7 shirts.
In selecting six flankers, it's unlikely all of them will get game time. However, I think the plan is for the Currys and Underhill to get maximum exposure from our three most experienced flankers. I'd like to see Robshaw start at 6 and I would want the Ben, Tom and Sam fighting it out for the 7 shirt in training. I'd have Haskell in the 20 shirt ready to come on if needs be, but I think that one of these lads has a real chance of making an immediate impact. At the very least, I'd like to see one or two of them off the bench. I assume Wood is there to pass on knowledge and cover lock in an emergency? Presumably the Hask will cover 8?
Unlucky: Any number of 8s ... Beaumont is a shock ommission, particularly as he could have covered lock. Like Attwood, Morgan must feel like it's a closed door. If he's still moving to Gloucester, Fearns could feel hard done by. I assume Mercer is not going because they want him to captain the U20s and because they want to prioritise looking at the rookie flankers?
Lots of flankers too. Is Harrison now considered a failed experiment and is Wiliams no longer considered good enough? Tough on Armand, Ewers and Chisholm too. Kvesic is the obvious outlier, but having barely played this season, he clearly wasn't going to be picked. Personally, I still think the move to Chiefs will put him back in the mix.
Another head scratcher ... It suggests to me that Youngs and Care are there to stay until 2019 unless Maunder can make a real impression.
Massive/unexpected kick in the teeth for Robson. I appreciate he's inconsistent, but it's hardly as though Youngs and Care are the model of consistency. Huge opportunity for Maunder though ...
Unlucky: Robson and Spencer must have been eyeing this as an opportunity.
Ford was an obvious pick and given Lozowski's form and previous inclusion, I'd argue he was a shoo-in too. Francis is an unusual one. I'm not sure if he's been taken as a 10 or 12?
Unlucky: On recent form Freddie Burns has to be considered very unlucky, but I imagine the versatility of Lozowski and Francis was the main factor.
Slade was the obvious pick at 12, but the inclusion of Francis and Mallinder (who is very lucky BTW!) suggests Eddie wants to persevere with a second playmaker. Slade has a great opportunity here. Marchant and James are clearly the best fit and available options for the 13 shirt.
Unlucky: Tompkins and Devoto must have been in consideration. Also, if we're looking for a player to cover 10/12, I would have gone for Ryan Mills over Francis.
May was the obvious pick and Solomona is an opportunistic selection, but I'm expecting the two of them to start. I'm surprised by Earle and very surprised by Cokanasiga, but the selection of both suggests that we want a big, powerful winger as an alternative to the others we already have. Whether either can make enough of an impact to stay involved is a separate question. Earle should get more game time with Ashton going and Cokanasiga's fate is pretty much down to whether LI are promoted or not I'd say.
Unlucky: Wade! But then again he is clearly unfancied. Short and Woodburn had a good case IMO.
Going with only Brown suggests to me that Eddie views either Daly, Watson or possibly, Nowell as the future in the 15 shirt.
Unlucky: Haley, Woodward, Marshall
Last edited by BPM; Yesterday at 08:45 AM.
On Piers Francis, Eddie said in an interview that he offers a different option at 10, so yes he is going as a 10, not a 12. Hopefully this means that Loz could get a run at FB.
I think Malinder might also be there as FB cover. I always think he looks really good when he plays there.
If he continues improving his defence he's defiantly in with a shout for a place in the team somewhere.
This is my signature. I really should change it.
Definitely know that the pundits on BT sport have said that Jones thinks Mallinder is a long term prospect at 15. How accurate that is I don't know...
From what I can see, Jones has his squad pretty much sorted and is looking at the younger, longer term instead of just picking older players who are good, but maybe not good enough.
Personally I think Argentina have gone backwards at a rate of knots in the last 2 years .....
Originally Posted by scotty507
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