Nah..he's great. Love a cocky player...apart from Lowe
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Yeah but
People always say stuff like if this was America he would be celebrated no he wouldn't
He's really won nothing and America tends to be massively fixated on winning.
Look at the GOAT debates there and it's all down to who has won stuff. Most of the players are massively PR trained in interviews. Mahomes is hated and dude is massively quiet off the pitch.
Ja Morant gets so much **** for his gun celebration.
This idea that America celebrates big personalities is outdated. America worships winners and winners in the underdog teams
The two footballers deemed the greatest of all time are Ronaldo and Messi, even historically it's Pele none of those have a big personality tag they are arrogant in their playing but generally speaking very media trained to the press. George Best had that personality and history has completely forgotten.
People always say stuff like if this was America he would be celebrated no he wouldn't
He's really won nothing and America tends to be massively fixated on winning.
Look at the GOAT debates there and it's all down to who has won stuff. Most of the players are massively PR trained in interviews. Mahomes is hated and dude is massively quiet off the pitch.
Ja Morant gets so much **** for his gun celebration.
This idea that America celebrates big personalities is outdated. America worships winners and winners in the underdog teams
The two footballers deemed the greatest of all time are Ronaldo and Messi, even historically it's Pele none of those have a big personality tag they are arrogant in their playing but generally speaking very media trained to the press. George Best had that personality and history has completely forgotten.
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Honestly with Pollock I'm for him, let him be a cocky ****...he can only do it while he's playing well. He's played well and earned his spot(as the outside pick the lions always pick) and has a chance to really step it up. The guy comes across as having pure self belief backed up by a workrate and talent.
Is he actually ready? Probably not but I hope he step up and takes the chance as his learning curve will have to be steep.
I hope he doesn't change tbh, let him be a love hate player. Let the media make it about him and let him be a household name of he earns it.
Is he actually ready? Probably not but I hope he step up and takes the chance as his learning curve will have to be steep.
I hope he doesn't change tbh, let him be a love hate player. Let the media make it about him and let him be a household name of he earns it.
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We shall forever be crippled by the fear of ever being thought of as arrogant by people who will continue to call us it regardless of how we act.
Just for me it’s a tale as old as time in English sports
Regardless the sports English media hype up young kid as the next great, can’t do no wrong has a bit of an arrogance about him but that great will bring more attention to things and not be a robotic PR machine
1st season goes by and suddenly 2nd/3rd season arrives might have had a injury or everyone is aware of him and targeting them. Impact not same level of hype anymore.
Suddenly media turns on them, attitude now is an issue. Hmm maybe problems in the camp with coaches
And suddenly they are on a list of top 10 what could’ve been
Happens so often in every sport we play
Regardless the sports English media hype up young kid as the next great, can’t do no wrong has a bit of an arrogance about him but that great will bring more attention to things and not be a robotic PR machine
1st season goes by and suddenly 2nd/3rd season arrives might have had a injury or everyone is aware of him and targeting them. Impact not same level of hype anymore.
Suddenly media turns on them, attitude now is an issue. Hmm maybe problems in the camp with coaches
And suddenly they are on a list of top 10 what could’ve been
Happens so often in every sport we play
Time for someone to buck the trend
Time for someone to buck the trend
No one will buck the trend because the highs the English public and media put on players will always go crazy to the point where that player breaks. It's inherently designed so that no one really truly succeeds unless they get out of the English sports media bubble.
I mean hell Pollock biggest game he has ever played so far was the Leinster game and outside the line break for the try (which was excellent tbf) he didn't do anything outstanding for the rest of the game imo, now suddenly he's the great open side in the whole of the UK and Ireland hell maybe even just behind Ardie in the world
He's won so far a u20's six nations medal, people couldn't even wait until after seeing how he handles his first senior rugby final before calming he's going to bring in waves of new fans.
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Think Sleightholme might be moving to hooker…
Please give Field Marshall Furbank the summer off...
With Carreras going to Bath that’s De Gainesville’s international hopes over I’m guessing for now.
Wonder how much him breaking COVID protocols effected his international career, especially during his breakthrough seasons(s) - was only a two week ban but would've definitely put him on the **** list with the higher ups, and also a missed opportunity to show what he can do vs England
I keep forgetting Carreras is going to Bath, probably the perfect player for Donoghue to learn from as someone who switches between 15 and 10
I keep forgetting Carreras is going to Bath, probably the perfect player for Donoghue to learn from as someone who switches between 15 and 10
Is he popular with Saints fans, yes. It's possible he is brining in younger fans to Saints and is he generating interest in the club, definitely.
The lads twenty, scored two tries on debut for England, medals at u20 six nations and RWC, leading some stats for European Cup, selected for British Lions. He's doing OK for a 20yo player I guess.
People were claiming he wouldn't 'handle' himself against Leinster. There backrow would ruin him. Now it's well let's see how he handles himself in the final.
He's achieved more than most rugby players ever will. I'd rather be pleased for what any young player achieves, rather than find reasons to knock them and there achievements so far.
The lads twenty, scored two tries on debut for England, medals at u20 six nations and RWC, leading some stats for European Cup, selected for British Lions. He's doing OK for a 20yo player I guess.
People were claiming he wouldn't 'handle' himself against Leinster. There backrow would ruin him. Now it's well let's see how he handles himself in the final.
He's achieved more than most rugby players ever will. I'd rather be pleased for what any young player achieves, rather than find reasons to knock them and there achievements so far.
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The English seem to take a particularly perverse joy in building up and knocking down. But that is what it is and you can only embrace it - it’ll beat up some, but others will feed off it, Keely Hodgkinson in athletics for example (now the best in the world, but playing the game from a young age long before she was). She very much marches to the beat of her own drum - her coaches know that she’ll be late for training, quite often be grumpy etc - but delivers.
Pollock’s not at that level yet - no-one’s saying he is, but he he has a hell of a lot of potential to be excited by. As for his performance against Leinster, common consensus is that he did his job, bested VdF (70 caps, ex World Player of the Year) and also produced a moment of magic - while he’s got to consistently repeat that, I’d say that’s a cause for excitement more than faint praise.
I hate judging people by social media but he’s got 119K insta followers - more than Earl, more than F Smith, more than Freeman and IFW combined, nearly as many as George. Well short of Itoje and M Smith, but if / when his international career takes off he does look pretty well placed to help reach new fans.
People want to make rugby more marketable and then moan when a young, cocky player comes along who has all the attributes that could make him a very commercially successful player just because he's a bit cocksure of himself.
Seriously people, rugby is in a commercial black hole in need of investment and a higher media profile and Pollock could really boost that.
Grow up
Seriously people, rugby is in a commercial black hole in need of investment and a higher media profile and Pollock could really boost that.
Grow up
Why are we allowed to joke about Lowe being a prat but Pollock is off limits?
Didn't realise people were joking about Pollock? And I referred to Lowe as a twat not pratt
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Well it's questionable whether some of the comments - aimed at both - have been wholly jokey. Then there's the English beating up their own angle.
But mainly Lowe is a 32 year old man fully deciding to take the actions he does and take the consequences of them. Pollock is a kid barely out of his teens finding his way in the public eye……at a time of life many find difficult enough to navigate as it is, so piling in on him is a bit distasteful. (Perfectly fair to objectively criticise his rugby though).
I don't think anyone has an issue with saying he comes across as a bit of a prat on field. Off field and interacting with younger fans he is really good.
I'm guessing when Lowe was twenty people weren't saying "He's not very good, he'll get found out". ""He's not won anything' "He's not achieved anything" or "Why are people saying he's brining in new fans"
If he was as a young player with a similar career to Pollock at 20. I'd have the same issues with that as well.
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He plays the part of pantomime villain, and... gets treated like a pantomime villain.
I've not seen anything anywhere saying that he's not a really good player with (hopefully) a fantastic career ahead of him, and already possessing some very strong highlights (and I don't mean his hair).
Mind you, I was accused of unreasonably hating him because I called him a floppy-haired, posh-schoolboy, arrogant-Englishman that the Aussies will REALLY hate - which... yeah...
Has he become the new (much more skillfull) Farrell? So the noticing a slight flaw in his game, or on-pitch demeanor means that think he should be banned for life?
Is this the same cognitive dissonance that translates "Genocide is a bad thing" as "Israel should be wiped off the map and jews are barely even human"?
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