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Indeed. For all their posturing about using technology to improve government, none of them have a ******* clue how any of it works.
As other have said you do need some form of deterent rent for people committing crime.
Still probably going to be easier to arrive by boat than get extradited from Albania for ads on tiktok.
Would love to know how safe routes work. Seen it mentioned a few times but not exactly sure how you can do it.
The government were looking at Italy using off shore processing but I think that's been blown out of the water by various courts
Still probably going to be easier to arrive by boat than get extradited from Albania for ads on tiktok.
Would love to know how safe routes work. Seen it mentioned a few times but not exactly sure how you can do it.
The government were looking at Italy using off shore processing but I think that's been blown out of the water by various courts
I think this is a right talking point that's been kinda mangled by the left. Something a long the lines of Asylum seekers have to come by safe and legal routes so we should kick them out. It should just pointed out that's not actually doable.
All of the issues are mostly solved by fast and through processing.
You are correct in it seems both sides say it. To me safe and legal routes seems very complex, not sure if the Uk's every really done it or if many governments still do.
As for processing, how you process people with no identification other than take what they say at face value, well I've no idea of a solution to that either.
Various reports saying Labour looking at national digital id cards or similar.
Dunno how national ID cards solves a problem.
I think the issue with processing is the backlog more than anything else. That's creating the need to keep asylum seekers its defined locations without being able to work.
I think anyone being processed should be allowed to work in that period.
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But what work is available for them apart from the Gig economy? No NI number, probably don’t have a licenses to ride these delivery mopeds. Or building/sharing their own illegal e-bike.
Give them a temp NI number? Not that hard is it? I just got one for turning 16.
Obviously without legal license they can't do jobs that require them. Farmhand which we're apparently short of is another matter.
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Wait, offer every single person who enters a country a NI number on the day arrival? What's their incentive to stay and communicate with the home office at all?
Sadly illegal immigration is just another tool to use by the government to politic. It can be stopped to near 0 within minutes, it would take a brutal phone call and policy change, hell even the threat of free enforced flights to Rwanda would stem the flow lol
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Sometimes there are no solutions to some problems.
Not having ID puts a spanner in a lot of things.
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If you take a couple of steps back it almost feels like this is a big international problem but with no coordinated international solution and no one country or alliance stepping up and showing leadership with a view to solving it.
You'd almost think that it's a problem that certain political parties don't want to solve because they'd have to weaponise something else or cease to exist. Using outsiders as an enemy is a classic way for a sitting Govt to distract people from their own failings and it's also a classic way to destabilise a sitting Govt by those who want to win power. No wonder so many people are filled with anger and protest vote at every opportunity.
You'd almost think that it's a problem that certain political parties don't want to solve because they'd have to weaponise something else or cease to exist. Using outsiders as an enemy is a classic way for a sitting Govt to distract people from their own failings and it's also a classic way to destabilise a sitting Govt by those who want to win power. No wonder so many people are filled with anger and protest vote at every opportunity.
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Hmmm, this is what is objected to. It’ll then entitle them to benefits etc which they haven’t earned yet.
Everyone here legally got one when they were 16 and started started accruing qualifying years for state pension purposes because they were in full time education.
No one will hire them without an NI number - well, not legally.
Vicious circle.
That’s the point, do you think that stops them?
Depends where they’re being housed. Getting them to farms would take co-ordinated effort. Not sure the Home office have that.
What benefits are they are entitiled to with NI number having not paid anything in?
They're currently eating and living off the tax payer whilst being processed.
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Surely temporary NI numbers would have a different format so that they can be easily distinguished from normal ones?
I know in Sweden that's the case. Temporary numbers had a different format, different rights and had an expiry date.
I know in Sweden that's the case. Temporary numbers had a different format, different rights and had an expiry date.
Its really not an insurmountable problem...
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Well, state pension but you have to accrue number of years. Job seekers allowance, statutory sick pay etc. .How do you identify and keep track?
All that NI you’re currently paying into the social security pot is in fact paying for the triple lock state pension of current pensioners. Apparently The state is having to borrow/issue GILTs/ use general taxation to top that pot up because there’s a big gap between what they owe now and what they’re getting in.
And it’s not easy getting a national insurance number even when temporary. Especially if you’re not here legally and holed up in a hostel. I recall trying to get one for clients who are temporary albeit legally. They have to attend interviews.
How do you identify/keep track? They do that already!
And ease of issuing numbers is the system being deliberately obtuse rather than an actual requirement.
What do you need really? Name, current residence and DOB.
Ive no idea what you point about about GILTS are.
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I am talking about the funding of the benefits. A lot of which is funded by govt borrowing by way of issue of GILTs. They borrow more they increase interest on it.
It’s a political hot potato because we are in so much debt and how you finance them and who pays.
Yes it sounds easy but when there’s a housing crisis it creates a lot of resentment.
Put them to work - easy peasy but do they want to do the **** work out there. These are the ones in hostels. It would seem obvious that they do because they were so desperate to get here in the first place.
You’re not counting the ones who are smuggled in trucks and trafficked who aren’t and no record. Those traffickers don’t want NI numbers and pocket what they want them to pay back to them.
Seems quite a few problems generally could be solved if people brought ID with them. I'm sure some must do.
Maybe the government should encourage that as ditching your ID seems really counter productive.
Maybe the government should encourage that as ditching your ID seems really counter productive.
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