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[Ragey Erasmus]

Amazing isnt it, the videos right there, the quote is in writing right next to it...

And not one person has the balls to type it out.


Ive watched it, it doesn't say what your all claiming, and not one of you are brave enough to send me the quote and for us to get into it.

Ive tried to warn you, on the dangers of this strategy, and its taken a day after a man dies for the usual suspects to go right back to it...

Why quote it when a video is literally there? You are the one denying it so go on, say exactly what Trump says he couldn't care less about.

You aren't warning on the dangers of anything, you are being contrarian as usual whilst flat out refusing to actually nail your own colour to the mast. You deny something means what it does and every time you then refuse to say what you think it does mean. You're always in opposition to something, never actually advocating anything.

I also asked you to provide any cases where you have admitted Trump said something out of order, you've palmed off everything as a joke, trolling or a misquote. Can you give me even a single example where you actually just agreed that what Trump said was unacceptable?

 

[dirty harry]

Interesting that libs of tik tok and some other youtubers are compiling lists of people mocking things and sending to their employers...

Meidas touch and David Pacman are publishing lists or right wingers who are saying mean things online...

But they are not the same!

 

[Which Tyler]

Look, it's not Harry's fault that Trump keeps misquoting himself

 

[dirty harry]

Criticised Trump about 6 times today:

"Please, go watch the entire thing, Trump says some dumb **** about exteeme right trying to help and extreme left being the problem lol..."

You just won't listen to reason, and none of you will answer my questions and easily prove me wrong.

"How do we fix this country?".
His reply: "I couldn't care less".

Is this the quote you heard?

This is what i asked you earlier, Trump said stupid **** after this about Right wing good left wing problem, but his response to the question was 100% not this quote, posted with the video. I dont understand why you just won't be honest and acknowledge this isnt his response.

 

[AlRums]

@AlRums doesn't understand even the basic facts about America. All that time on the internet and knowing to show for it.

Fired MSNBC analyst defends remarks about Charlie Kirk, says network caved to 'mob'

Former MSNBC analyst Matthew Dowd tried to explain his remarks about activist Charlie Kirk that got him fired and said his employer gave into a "mob."

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Video captures fight erupting at Charlie Kirk vigil after activist reportedly shouts profanity at crowd

Police reportedly arrested two men following a violent confrontation at a Charlie Kirk memorial vigil in Boise, with one having a history of prior arrests.

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Hospital fires healthcare worker for controversial Charlie Kirk social media post

Riverside Walter Reed Hospital terminated an anesthesiologist's contract after she posted inappropriate comments supporting violence against Charlie Kirk.

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Professor slammed for 'despicable behavior' with controversial reposts on Charlie Kirk

Professor Michael Mann at the University of Pennsylvania is under fire for reposting inflammatory content about assassinated conservative activist Charlie Kirk.

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Michael Rapaport blasts liberals cheering Charlie Kirk’s assassination, warns ‘no one is safe’

Comedian Michael Rapaport called people celebrating conservative activist Charlie Kirk's killing "sick" and warns public figures to watch their words about violence.

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Free speech?

I'm not condoning any of those comments. But we hear all the time from the right about being restricted from free speech.

Then they go silent the other way.

 

[Saintjay]

Fired MSNBC analyst defends remarks about Charlie Kirk, says network caved to 'mob'

Former MSNBC analyst Matthew Dowd tried to explain his remarks about activist Charlie Kirk that got him fired and said his employer gave into a "mob."

www.foxnews.com

Video captures fight erupting at Charlie Kirk vigil after activist reportedly shouts profanity at crowd

Police reportedly arrested two men following a violent confrontation at a Charlie Kirk memorial vigil in Boise, with one having a history of prior arrests.

www.foxnews.com

Hospital fires healthcare worker for controversial Charlie Kirk social media post

Riverside Walter Reed Hospital terminated an anesthesiologist's contract after she posted inappropriate comments supporting violence against Charlie Kirk.

www.foxnews.com

Professor slammed for 'despicable behavior' with controversial reposts on Charlie Kirk

Professor Michael Mann at the University of Pennsylvania is under fire for reposting inflammatory content about assassinated conservative activist Charlie Kirk.

www.foxnews.com

Michael Rapaport blasts liberals cheering Charlie Kirk’s assassination, warns ‘no one is safe’

Comedian Michael Rapaport called people celebrating conservative activist Charlie Kirk's killing "sick" and warns public figures to watch their words about violence.

www.foxnews.com

Free speech?

I'm not condoning any of those comments. But we hear all the time from the right about being restricted from free speech.

Then they go silent the other way.

Can't get upset over hate speech if you don't have hate speech. It's a right to be offensive.

 

[AlRums]

Criticised Trump about 6 times today:

"Please, go watch the entire thing, Trump says some dumb **** about exteeme right trying to help and extreme left being the problem lol..."

You just won't listen to reason, and none of you will answer my questions and easily prove me wrong.


This is what i asked you earlier, Trump said stupid **** after this about Right wing good left wing problem, but his response to the question was 100% not this quote, posted with the video. I dont understand why you just won't be honest and acknowledge this isnt his response.

And yet YOU still won't write it out yourself, if you want to prove a point then prove it.

Don't ask others to disprove it just so you can argue.

I really hate admitting it, but I think strumpet was misquoted but until you write it out I won't tell you why. But, it's not the crap you keep spewing.

 

[McTallshort]

Being on this thread makes me want to shoot something.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Criticised Trump about 6 times today:

"Please, go watch the entire thing, Trump says some dumb **** about exteeme right trying to help and extreme left being the problem lol..."

You just won't listen to reason, and none of you will answer my questions and easily prove me wrong.


This is what i asked you earlier, Trump said stupid **** after this about Right wing good left wing problem, but his response to the question was 100% not this quote, posted with the video. I dont understand why you just won't be honest and acknowledge this isnt his response.

Earhardt: "What do we do about our country? We have radicals on the right and left, people are watching videos and cheering, some people are cheering that Charlie was killed. How do we fix this country? How do we come back together?"

Trump: "I tell you something that is going to get me in trouble, but I couldn't care less. Radicals on the right are radical because they don't want to see crime."

Tell me what you think Trump is referring to when he says he couldn't care less? Earhardt mentioned radicals on both sides watching videos and cheering the death of Charlie Kirk, asks how do we fix the country and how do we come together? Which of those do you think Trump couldn't care less about? And yes, how do we fix this country WAS one of the questions posed and is an option that he could be responding to. Seeing as you don't think it's that, what do you think it is? He doesn't care about people celebrating the death of Kirk or he doesn't care about bringing people together?

 

[Cruz_del_Sur]

Where did I say it was a crime, I called it what is was, Hate Speech.

And if it is not a country's legal system, who decides whether something constitutes hate speech? You?

 

[TommiG88]

And if it is not a country's legal system, who decides whether something constitutes hate speech? You?

what constitutes hate speech to you?

 

[Saintjay]

Being on this thread makes me want to shoot something.

No where else on the internet will you get 17 pages of "show me the quote"

On the plus side Prem rugby starts soon. Then i will care a lot less if America eats itself.

 

[Yulia]

Being on this thread makes me want to shoot something.

I usually say "where's my air rifle?!" in such a case (although I don't have one)

 

[AlRums]

Being on this thread makes me want to shoot something.

Starts with D and ends in H?

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Starts with D and ends in H?

To be that pendant, you probably mean starts with a D and ends in a Y.

 

[Which Tyler]

But I'm sure he's misquoting himself

 

[Cruz_del_Sur]

what constitutes hate speech to you?

That's your response? Turning the question back? Seriously?
I haven't been in formal debates for nearly 3 decades but doing such a thing used to be down there, right next to conceding.

I find it quite rich that AllRums gives you a like, acknowledging he read my direct question and yet chose not to answer it.
In order not to do the same, i will give you a straight answer: i don't know. I'll take it even further. Ideally, I don't care; for practical matters i'll look for the relevant laws in the pertinent jurisdiction and act accordingly. In my ideal system such definition would be irrelevant. Other than screaming 'fire' in a crowded cinema, or things along those lines, i'm in favour of everyone and anyone saying whatever the hell they want. And i do so for many reasons but i'll sum it up in two: a moral one and a practical one. The moral one is that free speech is the best and most effective way to respect and protect individual autonomy. The practical one is that i find it naive, actually hilarious, that some people actually believe you can change people's mind and/or behaviour by prohibiting or censoring speech. We've got 5000 years of recorded history that strongly suggest otherwise.

 

[McTallshort]

Starts with D and ends in H?

No. He's just a product of the internet. Pity him really

 

[TommiG88]

That's your response? Turning the question back? Seriously?
I haven't been in formal debates for nearly 3 decades but doing such a thing used to be down there, right next to conceding.

I find it quite rich that AllRums gives you a like, acknowledging he read my direct question and yet chose not to answer it.
In order not to do the same, i will give you a straight answer: i don't know. I'll take it even further. Ideally, I don't care; for practical matters i'll look for the relevant laws in the pertinent jurisdiction and act accordingly. In my ideal system such definition would be irrelevant. Other than screaming 'fire' in a crowded cinema, or things along those lines, i'm in favour of everyone and anyone saying whatever the hell they want. And i do so for many reasons but i'll sum it up in two: a moral one and a practical one. The moral one is that free speech is the best and most effective way to respect and protect individual autonomy. The practical one is that i find it naive, actually hilarious, that some people actually believe you can change people's mind and/or behaviour by prohibiting or censoring speech. We've got 5000 years of recorded history that strongly suggest otherwise

Free speech and hate speech are different things, and Al wasn't calling the hate speech a crime, just for what it is. You implied with your question to Al that he was calling it a crime, hence why asking you a question as you asked a question for something he was clearly wasn’t saying.

I don’t understand how people get confused between free and hate speech

 

[Saintjay]

Which is why nobody really has true freedom of speech , and in some cases for valid reasons.

Can you have freedom of speech whilst having consequences and punishment for saying something. Ie getting fired from your job.

I think 5000 years has also taught us "Rules, without them we live with the animals". I don't know of a civilised country in the world where you are free to speak anything with no consequence. For varied reasons some valid, some bad.