USA news & politics

[dirty harry]

They're so ******* useless

How much do you want to bet the other 37/38 are scathing reports about how evil Trump and his administration is... Just a guess.

 

[dirty harry]

I don't think the average American is any more stupid than the average Brit to be honest.

I dont know tbh, I work with a lot of ignorant people, but visiting the USA really shocks me sometimes.

 

[McTallshort]

How much do you want to bet the other 37/38 are scathing reports about how evil Trump and his administration is... Just a guess.

Don't think it mentions Trump. It just mentions how many things the defence council can use thanks to Patels handling of the situation

 

[Welsh Exile]

Have to be another time, im running into the gym, but they'd be super easy to find.

No **** sherlock, hes gotten into politics! But it's interesting, because I feel that most on these boards lean toward a preference to authoritarian than i do.

I havnt seen thisnquote, but sounds like a leaf out of Starmers book tbh. Every world leader has done so, look at pretty much every world leaders actions, my immediate though is Treudau. Trump would love nothing more to just swing a hammer and imprison whoever he wanted.

So everyone who’s gotten into politics has staged a failed coup to overturn a legitimate election result and want their judicial system to be more like Chinas? Mmmmm, not sure about that, bud.

You can’t even admit that Trump acts and speaks differently to normal politicians. You could at least admit this fact and then say in their hearts all politicians are the same they just act differently in public to achieve said goals. To deny that Trump acts differently to any other president is just deluded in my opinion.

 

[Welsh Exile]

I dont know tbh, I work with a lot of ignorant people, but visiting the USA really shocks me sometimes.

What part? America is huge.

I think on certain issues like geography and stuff like that maybe but in terms of general intelligence, I’m not sure to be honest.

 

[Which Tyler]

Thats a fascinating read, the numbers of Reps who call left of centre nazi, and the dems who call right of centre communists really does highlight how stupid the average American is, and I think this is a point we can unify on?

From AI;
1st question: "How many instances have there been of democrats calling right wingers communists"

There are very few, if any, documented instances of Democrats calling right-wingers "communists." The overwhelming pattern is the opposite: Republicans and right-wing figures frequently accuse Democrats of being communists, socialists, or Marxists as a political tactic. This strategy has been used for decades, especially during the Cold War and more recently in the Trump era, to portray Democratic policies as extreme or un-American. There is no significant evidence or trend of Democrats using the term "communist" to describe right-wingers or Republicans in mainstream political discourse.

Instead, Democrats are more likely to label right-wing extremists as "fascists" or "authoritarians," reflecting the historical association of fascism with far-right ideology. The use of "communist" as a pejorative is almost exclusively a right-wing tactic against the left, not the other way around.

Would you like examples of how these labels are used in political rhetoric, or are you interested in a specific context?

2nd question: "How many instances have there been of republicans calling left wingers communists"

There have been numerous, well-documented instances of Republicans calling left-wingers, especially Democrats, "communists." This tactic has been a recurring theme in American political rhetoric for decades, intensifying during certain periods:

• Cold War Era: The practice became widespread during the McCarthy era (1950s), when Senator Joseph McCarthy and other Republicans accused liberals, Democrats, and even some moderates of communist sympathies, often with little or no evidence.
• Reagan Era: The 1980s saw a resurgence, with President Reagan and his allies frequently labeling Democratic policies as "socialist" or "communist," especially in opposition to welfare programs and labor movements.
• Trump Era and Beyond:In recent years, figures like Donald Trump, Marjorie Taylor Greene, and Ron DeSantis have repeatedly referred to Democrats as "communists," "Marxists," or "socialists." For example:
  • Trump has called Democratic policies "Marxist" and accused the Biden administration of being controlled by "communists".
  • Marjorie Taylor Greene has described Democratic initiatives like the Green New Deal as "communist" and claimed that "Communist Democrats" are trying to rig elections.
  • Ron DeSantis and other Republicans have used similar language, equating progressive policies with communism.

This rhetoric is not limited to fringe figures; it is a mainstream strategy within the Republican Party, especially in election cycles and partisan media. The frequency is high, with dozens of examples in speeches, social media, and campaign materials over the past several years.

Would you like specific quotes or more detailed examples from a particular time period?

Typical Harry - thing A happens, a fair bit, including currently, thing B essentially doesn't happen.
A&B are the same

 

[dirty harry]

Don't think it mentions Trump. It just mentions how many things the defence council can use thanks to Patels handling of the situation

Who is part of Trumps administration...

 

[Ddanno]

You could read it and apply some critical thinking for a change. Have a lie down afterwards though, it might hurt.

 

[McTallshort]

Who is part of Trumps administration...

Never uses the word evil from what I can see.

 

[dirty harry]

So everyone who's gotten into politics has staged a failed coup to overturn a legitimate election result and want their judicial system to be more like Chinas? Mmmmm, not sure about that, bud.

You can't even admit that Trump acts and speaks differently to normal politicians. You could at least admit this fact and then say in their hearts all politicians are the same they just act differently in public to achieve said goals. To deny that Trump acts differently to any other president is just deluded in my opinion.

I mean, you could make the argument that both Canadas and UK judicial systems have been centralise and there has been Chinese style overreach in a similar way to Trump. I mean, some of the Canadian stories from just a few years ago are terrifyingly authoritarian like, as is the UKs dealing in recent free speach issues. But like I said, I dislike all politicians, they all attempt to overreach, name me an American president who wasnt accused of such?

When did I say Trumps style and behaviours were similar to others? Ive never made this claim, and infact criticised him constantly for how he behaves, I have no idea where assertion has come from.

 

[dirty harry]

From AI;
1st question: "How many instances have there been of democrats calling right wingers communists"


2nd question: "How many instances have there been of republicans calling left wingers communists"

Typical Harry - thing A happens, a fair bit, including currently, thing B essentially doesn't happen.
A&B are the same

I literally have no idea what your point is here... your going to have to dumb it down for me

 

[dirty harry]

Never uses the word evil from what I can see.

You could read it and apply some critical thinking for a change.

I think Ddanno has answered it for me, I've taken his needless insult out, I dont think you're deserved that.

 

[Welsh Exile]

I mean, you could make the argument that both Canadas and UK judicial systems have been centralise and there has been Chinese style overreach in a similar way to Trump. I mean, some of the Canadian stories from just a few years ago are terrifyingly authoritarian like, as is the UKs dealing in recent free speach issues. But like I said, I dislike all politicians, they all attempt to overreach, name me an American president who wasnt accused of such?

When did I say Trumps style and behaviours were similar to others? Ive never made this claim, and infact criticised him constantly for how he behaves, I have no idea where assertion has come from.

Sorry I probably misunderstood this.

I havnt seen thisnquote, but sounds like a leaf out of Starmers book tbh. Every world leader has done so, look at pretty much every world leaders actions, my immediate though is Treudau

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

How much do you want to bet the other 37/38 are scathing reports about how evil Trump and his administration is... Just a guess.

How much do you want to bet you dismiss something out of hand without reading it... Only mentions Trump in passing at one point, that thing is very much targeted at Patel and how he has mishandled the case with his public statements.

 

[dirty harry]

Sorry I probably misunderstood this.

I havnt seen thisnquote, but sounds like a leaf out of Starmers book tbh. Every world leader has done so, look at pretty much every world leaders actions, my immediate though is Treudau

Oh you know what thats written poorly to be fair. I wouldnt put them on Trumps level, especially regarding the 2020 election (I misread Jan 6th), but they certainly would agree with Trumps words about Chinese efficiency, thats the context i was aiming for

 

[Welsh Exile]

Oh you know what thats written poorly to be fair. I wouldnt put them on Trumps level, especially regarding the 2020 election (I misread Jan 6th), but they certainly would agree with Trumps words about Chinese efficiency, thats the context i was aiming for

I honestly don’t think Starmer or any western leader worth a damn would say what Trump said.

 

[dirty harry]

How much do you want to bet you dismiss something out of hand without reading it...

From a few usual suspects, yes, they arent trustworthy people. I read your Time article that was very interesting, Ddannos content will hold no interest to me whatsoever, hes far more radical and I think his potential to critically examine ideas has been reached a while ago (no offence meant).

 

[dirty harry]

I honestly don't think Starmer or any western leader worth a damn would say what Trump said.

I didnt say they would, they'd be idiots to be that honest!

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Trump: 300 million people died last year from drugs
Reality: 62 million people died worldwide last year from all causes

 

[Welsh Exile]

I didnt say they would, they'd be idiots to be that honest!

Yeah I'd fundamentally disagree there but we'll go round in circles. Neither of us have a mind reading device so we'll never truly know (even though we can look at actions of leaders who while not being honest about how they really feel have still taken steps to try and realise their ulterior motives)

I know you don't make any difference between western leaders but do you think all politicians world wide are rhe same or do you make a distinction between, say, Starmer and Xi or Macron and insert any unhinged dictator here…