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[Welsh Exile]

What would Harris have done well in the last 8 months?

What were her achievements in the last 4 years?

It's hard to say what she would have done well as she didn't get elected but I'm pretty confident what she wouldn't do.

For starters she wouldn't be an extreme narcissist who would look to silence voices critical of her and generally not be an all round piece of **** like Trump. She wouldn't have tried to coup the government. She wouldn't, for years and years, say the election was rigged. She wouldn't mention the deep state and how you can't trust any democratic institutions. She wouldn't have engaged in a trade war with the entire world. She wouldn't have soured relations with Canada and a lot of other allies. She wouldn't have threatened to invade Greenland. She wouldn't be such a suck up to Putin like Trump was initially. Same for Netenyahu, that's another conflict she could’ve exerted more pressure on and bring an end to the war. She wouldn't be pressuring people to get talk show hosts sacked or file lawsuits against people who criticised her and she wouldn't pardon everyone convicted of criminal acts on Jan 6th

As I say, I don't think a chimpanzee with learning difficulties would've done any of that either.

 

[AlRums]

That's a very good point

Is it, as far as I can see vice president's don't achieve anything in their role.

They're just there to support their president.

Pence achieved nothing, Mondale, Quayle, Gore, Cheney and Harris achieved nothing as vps.

Others went on to be President but again you'd be pushed to find any achievement prior to that. (Including Biden and Bush)

Well, Gore did claim he invented the internet

 

[dirty harry]

Wasn't Clinton just too toxic a brand? The establishment figure when people were sick of the establishment?

It was a case of bad timing, she absolutely had the chops to be president, but the room was read wrong I think, she was too establishment, and after 8 years of Obama noone wanted another 4 of Clinton's with Bill's and Barracks hand up her skirt.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, there were candidates who would have beaten Trump handily, Hillary wasnt the best choice at the time.

 

[McTallshort]

3 million more votes than trump doesn't suggest that.

Yeah I get that but shouldn't she have smashed him out the park? This was a long time before MAGA and the cult of personality. He was a game show host and she was a career politician. He should have been dead and buried and the American election system is the same for everyone.

 

[dirty harry]

It's hard to say what she would have done well as she didn't get elected but I'm pretty confident what she wouldn't do.

For starters she wouldn't be an extreme narcissist who would look to silence voices critical of her and generally not be an all round piece of **** like Trump. She wouldn't have tried to coup the government. She wouldn't, for years and years, say the election was rigged. She wouldn't mention the deep state and how you can't trust any democratic institutions. She wouldn't have engaged in a trade war with the entire world. She wouldn't have soured relations with Canada and a lot of other allies. She wouldn't have threatened to invade Greenland. She wouldn't be such a suck up to Putin like Trump was initially. Same for Netenyahu, that's another conflict she could've exerted more pressure on and bring an end to the war. She wouldn't be pressuring people to get talk show hosts sacked or file lawsuits against people who criticised her and she wouldn't pardon everyone convicted of criminal acts on Jan 6th

As I say, I don't think a chimpanzee with learning difficulties would've done any of that either.

So her only benefits would be that she wouldnt have been Trump?

I think this is incredibly revealing, not about you personally, but about attitudes of those who have been radicalised...

 

[ChicagoKid]

It was a case of bad timing, she absolutely had the chops to be president, but the room was read wrong I think, she was too establishment, and after 8 years of Obama noone wanted another 4 of Clinton's with Bill's and Barracks hand up her skirt.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, there were candidates who would have beaten Trump handily, Hillary wasnt the best choice at the time.

Hillary was hated since at least 1993 when they pushed universal health care. Before that, Bill was known as womanizer dating back to college and she not only stuck with him, she called these women liars when they spoke out.

Then the BJ incident happened and she stuck by him to save her political butt.

Long story short, she’s a power-hungry woman who would run over anybody who stood in her way.

To know her legacy is the woman who lost to another known womanizer in Trump and destroyed Obama’s legacy is chef’s kiss karma.

 

[ChicagoKid]

So her only benefits would be that she wouldnt have been Trump?

I think this is incredibly revealing, not about you personally, but about attitudes of those who have been radicalised...

Not Trump has failed as a political strategy for a decade.

 

[AlRums]

It was a case of bad timing, she absolutely had the chops to be president, but the room was read wrong I think, she was too establishment, and after 8 years of Obama noone wanted another 4 of Clinton's with Bill's and Barracks hand up her skirt.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, there were candidates who would have beaten Trump handily, Hillary wasnt the best choice at the time.

If the candidate had been Biden or Saunders had won through the result most likely would have been different.

 

[Welsh Exile]

So her only benefits would be that she wouldnt have been Trump?

I think this is incredibly revealing, not about you personally, but about attitudes of those who have been radicalised...

It's a case of her benefits would've been she wouldn't have done all the things I listed. Yes, Trump did those things and I don't like them. I think having a leader who speaks and acts like I stated is not conducive to democracy. I like democracy.

 

[AlRums]

Yeah I get that but shouldn't she have smashed him out the park? This was a long time before MAGA and the cult of personality. He was a game show host and she was a career politician. He should have been dead and buried and the American election system is the same for everyone.

He was and still is one of the greatest grifters alive.

 

[dirty harry]

Hillary was hated since at least 1993 when they pushed universal health care. Before that, Bill was known as womanizer dating back to college and she not only stuck with him, she called these women liars when they spoke out.

Then the BJ incident happened and she stuck by him to save her political butt.

Long story short, she's a power-hungry woman who would run over anybody who stood in her way.

To know her legacy is the woman who lost to another known womanizer in Trump and destroyed Obama's legacy is chef's kiss karma.

Seems like the attributes to get to the presidency no?

 

[McTallshort]

He was and still is one of the greatest grifters alive.

That's true but he still should have been buried in 2016.

 

[dirty harry]

It's a case of her benefits would've been she wouldn't have done all the things I listed. Yes, Trump did those things and I don't like them. I think having a leader who speaks and acts like I stated is not conducive to democracy. I like democracy.

So what would you have rated her vice performance over the last 4 years?

 

[AlRums]

Hillary was hated since at least 1993 when they pushed universal health care. Before that, Bill was known as womanizer dating back to college and she not only stuck with him, she called these women liars when they spoke out.

Then the BJ incident happened and she stuck by him to save her political butt.

Long story short, she's a power-hungry woman who would run over anybody who stood in her way.

To know her legacy is the woman who lost to another known womanizer in Trump and destroyed Obama's legacy is chef's kiss karma.

As I understand it, Benghazi played a big role in republican minds

 

[AlRums]

So what would you have rated her vice performance over the last 4 years?

Compared to Vance, extremely diplomatic

 

[Welsh Exile]

So what would you have rated her vice performance over the last 4 years?

Rating a VPs performance is a bit like asking me how I think the water boy got on in the last Wales international. What do VPs even do. Has there been a long list of VPs who were renowned for doing amazing things or did they just mooch around, attend a few galas and do a press conference here and there.

 

[dirty harry]

Compared to Vance, extremely diplomatic

Lammy didnt go fishing with her

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

As I understand it, Benghazi played a big role in republican minds

Not by accident, they made it out to be a catastrophe.

 

[dirty harry]

Rating a VPs performance is a bit like asking me how I think the water boy got on in the last Wales international. What do VPs even do. Has there been a long list of VPs who were renowned for doing amazing things or did they just mooch around, attend a few galas and do a press conference here and there.

I mean, we can assess what she did though...

Lets discuss strengths, or are we just agreeing with Biden that her combination of skin colour and genetalia creates a great VP?

 

[AlRums]

Not by accident, they made it out to be a catastrophe.

True. That's why I said what I said.

Clinton, though, didn't help herself with the

"I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base"

Claim.

Clinton forced to admit she exaggerated tale of Bosnian sniper fire

Hillary Clinton has been forced to admit she exaggerated claims of coming under sniper fire during a visit to Bosnia in the 1990s after video footage showed the then first lady walking calmly from her plane

www.theguardian.com

She really made a fool of herself with that one.

Btw: she was called out on that one by CBS, left wing media rather than the right