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SuperRugby: Crusaders v Stormers. 14/04/2012

Yeah dan carter who? Carter is also a bit of baggage atm hopefully he comes right but i would like to see more of dan taylor.
Blasphemy, just Blashpemy! :p

Impressive effort from Taylor. I think I need to see more of his running, distribution and general play; but otherwise, I think they need this combo moving forward.

I've always thought Dan would be shifted to 12 towards the latter part of his career; once we found a legit 10.

Maybe that time is now or at least sooner than later?
 
I do have to say though (and this is no means complaining as Crusaders deserve the win and it probably wouldn't have made a difference) that I thought while both teams defended very flat, we were penalised for offsides a few times on probably technically accurate yet very marginal calls, while I thought the Crusaders were pushing offsides a few times and they didn't seem to be policed as harshly.

Other than that the Crusaders game plan kinda reminded me of the Boks of 2007 game plan "KEEP THE ENEMY PINNED DOWN, UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD THE BALL BE IN YOUR HALF." but they perhaps gave us a bit to much credit, Saders looked dangerous on attack when they did decide to run and I'm not sure they wouldn't have been able to put a few tries on us, they ripped our defensive line to ribbons with the first try.
 
Urgh!

Poor, poor decision making by Grant sometimes. That one kick... urgh!

Pietersen played pretty well, just hope he would kick the ball out a little bit more. The ref? Well I wouldn't say he was against the Stormers, he's just an incompetent twat. Crusaders deserved this win, we didn't use our chances on attack, urgh Grant!


Edit: Tom Taylor is looking pretty good!
 
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@ admartian

I saw what you did there!!!

Once again the hometown officials decide the game.

When will we ever get impartial and unbiased referees?

Thats the story, you lose the match so blame the ref. Its RWC2011 all over again.

Chris Pollock had an OK game; not brilliant, but he was not incompetent, and he certainly did not affect the outcome of the game. The Stormers got the benefit of a very soft yellow card on Wyatt Crockett, but once Pollock had painted himself into a corner by giving it, then later in the match when Rynhardt Elstadt did his high-shot, he was always going to have to go as well.

Chris Pollock is a very good referee, a good game manager with a great understanding and feel for the game. He's been promoted to the IRB's Top Referees panel, and it not without reason.
 
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Well it had to happen some time. Congat's to the Crusaders on a victory in a well-fought match. I'm just sweating on the injury front at the moment. We've been pretty lucky with Burger our only real concern to date. Here's holding thumbs our guys are alright.
 
"Thats the story, you lose the match so blame the ref. Its RWC2011 all over again."

RWC2011 all over again? It's one guy saying that... The rest of the Stormers supporters on here have all said that the Crusaders deserved the win tonight.

Leave that crap in the other threads behind please, we don't want that Bulls vs Crusaders nonsense to continue here.
 
"Thats the story, you lose the match so blame the ref. Its RWC2011 all over again."

RWC2011 all over again? It's one guy saying that... The rest of the Stormers supporters on here have all said that the Crusaders deserved the win tonight.

Leave that crap in the other threads behind please, we don't want that Bulls vs Crusaders nonsense to continue here.

It's one guy I was directing it at, OK?
 
And then he's going to say something back, and before you know it, it's a SH vs NH thread with Suzie somehow being involved.
 
This is mostly directed at our resident referee and is something that I'd like to understand better; was the high tackle from Elstadt actually high? I can certainly understand that Pollock had to give a yellow after showing Crockett a yellow for a similarly tame high challenge but I mean, in my eyes at lest, Elstadt stood up to the man front to front and there was no force excerted from the high arm. To put it differently- the arm that was high was behind the attacking player and not working against that player's own momentum. Or does that not come into play and any arm above the shoulders in a tackle situation is seen as a high tackle? I would certainly understand the ref needing to err on the less lenient side for safety and taking potential inconsistencies out of the equation but you'll get many games where players 'wrap up' rather than tackle others where the high tackle isn't called and it makes sense because the tackled player's neck isn't in any danger as the wrapping arms do not work against the player's momentum with their neck as an axis which is where the danger comes in.
 
Saying Carter's time is coming to an end is kinda funny. Two games from a 6 month groin injury I'd be very suprised if he was flawless, despite a good game from Taylor. Taylor, despite a good game, wouldn't be ahead of Cruden or Barrett in my mind.
 
It wAs probably the best way possible to finish your all black career. A stellar finsih to a mundane career
 
This is mostly directed at our resident referee and is something that I'd like to understand better; was the high tackle from Elstadt actually high? I can certainly understand that Pollock had to give a yellow after showing Crockett a yellow for a similarly tame high challenge but I mean, in my eyes at lest, Elstadt stood up to the man front to front and there was no force excerted from the high arm. To put it differently- the arm that was high was behind the attacking player and not working against that player's own momentum. Or does that not come into play and any arm above the shoulders in a tackle situation is seen as a high tackle? I would certainly understand the ref needing to err on the less lenient side for safety and taking potential inconsistencies out of the equation but you'll get many games where players 'wrap up' rather than tackle others where the high tackle isn't called and it makes sense because the tackled player's neck isn't in any danger as the wrapping arms do not work against the player's momentum with their neck as an axis which is where the danger comes in.

As regards a high tackle, it is not about the "force" of the tackle or the momentum of the players involved. A high tackle from behind, contacting the back of a player's head is treated no differently to a front-on one, however, there is the "stiff arm" provision in the Law to cover the "coat-hanger" type tackle.

[TEXTAREA]LAW 10.4 DANGEROUS PLAY AND MISCONDUCT

(e) Dangerous tackling. A player must not tackle an opponent early, late or dangerously.
Sanction: Penalty kick

A player must not tackle (or try to tackle) an opponent above the line of the shoulders even if the tackle starts below the line of the shoulders. A tackle around the opponent’s neck or head is dangerous play.
Sanction: Penalty kick

A ‘stiff-arm tackle’ is dangerous play. A player makes a stiff-arm tackle when using a stiff arm to strike an opponent.
Sanction: Penalty kick
[/TEXTAREA]

I have highlighted an important part of the Law that people often don't realise. They talk about the "first point of contact" being on the arm or the chest and the tackler's arm "riding up". Well that is still a high tackle and is considered no different to one that contacts the head directly. Kepp in mind, that it is the reponsibility of the tackler to ensure that he does not contact the ball-carrier's head. For this reason referees are taught that there is no excuse when a player "ducks into" or "trips into" a tackle and it ends up being above the line of the shoulders, although the referee won't usually yellow card a player when that happens.

IMO, neither of the tackles that got yellow carded in this match were worthy of that punishment, but if I had to pick a worse one, then I'd say Wyatt Crockett's was marginally the worst of the two. Once Pollock had set his stall out, and yellow carded Crockett, he really left himself no choice but to card Elstadt as well, especially as it was Vinny Munro's recommendation. It would have been interesting to see of there had been a player commit a significantly more serious head-high tackle, because having decided that these two were the standard for a yellow card, would Pollock have had the courage to give a red card for it?
 
It wAs probably the best way possible to finish your all black career. A stellar finsih to a mundane career

A carrier that includes being part of tri nations wins, Bledisloe cup wins, unbeaten europe tours and a world cup win and playing a significant role in a drive to a super rugby final (which is more than many good 10's get)

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Yeah pretty Mundane...

what have you done?
 
I really like the look of Tom Taylor, after an NPC game last year I think against Auckland? where he was brilliant and basically won the game for his team. Was one of those rare performances where you have one guy that did almost everything bar push in the scrum and win some lineout ball. he tackled brilliantly, looked deadly every time he touched the ball, kicked goals, scored/setup trys, superb. The kind of performance you only normally see from Dan carter - I think from then on I've seen him as a potential AB but now he's had a similar performance in super rugby he will be getting more attention.
 

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