Discussion in 'General Rugby Union' started by BrokenWing, Sep 7, 2019.
Can't tell whether that proposal meant that the red carded player can return after the time or replaced.
I think the "white card" proposal, whereby the player is binned but can be replaced is the way to go.
Replaced I think. An intermediate card would make more sense than only being a man down for 15 minutes for anything more serious than a yellow.
Agreed, a red carded player has been sent off because they s done something beyond the pale. They should not be allowed back on. The pitch again, though I don't mind a replacement coming on after a longer period with 14 men.
I also like the suggestion that any carded player gets TMO review whilst they're off, and the TMO decides the colour of the card.
Between those 2 things, we can stop the game for a shorter time, and a red card is much less likely to decide the match itself. Meaning that officials will be less scared of issuing them in then first place.
So long as the player is replaced by someone else and can't just come back on themselves I'm on board with this.
I think that the prospect of your team being a man down for the rest of the game is the main deterrent in it though. Could make players more likely to commit offences knowing that the team will only be down for slightly longer than a yellow.
On board with an intermediate card being added with this punishment. But not red card being changed.
What i think (not that it matters)
Yellow stays the same. 10min
'White card' or any colour, clear reds but with some mitgating circumstances. 15min, may be replaced after (although id say 20 min)
Red card, for dangerous or reckless acts with no mitigating circumstances. Player is off.
Mitigating circumstances for me would be an illegal clear out without arms at a ruck, Yellow. he makes contact with the head, dangerous, makes it Red. Only made conact with head because player was falling yet it was still reckless, Takes it down to White.
Odd how little support this idea got on here when a random poster from Canada suggested it here a month ago.
Just seems needlessly complex, don't think it would add anything to the game.
Unless it means we get a bit of biff back in which case I'm probably in. EG; punch up = white.
I have long believed that a sending off (with the team going down to 14 players for the rest of the match) should be reserved for for really serious, intentional foul play... the stuff that gets you a four week entry level sanction at the judiciary.
My proposal would be
Black Card - Biting, eye-gouging, bag-snatching, vilification, spitting, kicking, head butting and abuse of match officials - the player is not replaced
Red Card - all other acts of foul play - the player is sent off and is replaced after 20 minutes.
Yellow Card - as now, the player is temporarily suspended and may return after 10 minutes
I agree although i think keep red high level card. WhT i said in my earlier post was slightly different being a card inbetween for clear reds but with mitigating circumstances and the red cards being for clear reds so that covers your worse ones or dangerous ones.
But i really do like the idea i just dont like the idea of changing yellows or red cards if we only have 2 cards.
These are very good suggestions.
What about the idea of punishments being carried over into the next game i.e:
A yellow card in the last minute means the tream plays with 14 players for the first 9 minutes of their next game, similar for red to make sure that players don't try things on at the end of a match
Yes but at the end of the games we will just get 10 min of pick and go with no aim but to keep possesion to run down the clock. And i just dont agree with this as YC is a low end punishment with no repercussions. And RC normally lead to a Citing so it doesnt need to carry IMO
i would add to the black card any dangerous play WITH intent, e.g. taking out a player in teh air, deliberate spear tackle, deliberately charging your shoulder into someones head.
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