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Agreed, a red carded player has been sent off because they s done something beyond the pale. They should not be allowed back on. The pitch again, though I don't mind a replacement coming on after a longer period with 14 men.Can't tell whether that proposal meant that the red carded player can return after the time or replaced.
I think the "white card" proposal, whereby the player is binned but can be replaced is the way to go.
Odd how little support this idea got on here when a random poster from Canada suggested it here a month ago.
I agree although i think keep red high level card. WhT i said in my earlier post was slightly different being a card inbetween for clear reds but with mitigating circumstances and the red cards being for clear reds so that covers your worse ones or dangerous ones.I have long believed that a sending off (with the team going down to 14 players for the rest of the match) should be reserved for for really serious, intentional foul play... the stuff that gets you a four week entry level sanction at the judiciary.
My proposal would be
Black Card - Biting, eye-gouging, bag-snatching, vilification, spitting, kicking, head butting and abuse of match officials - the player is not replaced
Red Card - all other acts of foul play - the player is sent off and is replaced after 20 minutes.
Yellow Card - as now, the player is temporarily suspended and may return after 10 minutes
I have long believed that a sending off (with the team going down to 14 players for the rest of the match) should be reserved for for really serious, intentional foul play... the stuff that gets you a four week entry level sanction at the judiciary.
My proposal would be
Black Card - Biting, eye-gouging, bag-snatching, vilification, spitting, kicking, head butting and abuse of match officials - the player is not replaced
Red Card - all other acts of foul play - the player is sent off and is replaced after 20 minutes.
Yellow Card - as now, the player is temporarily suspended and may return after 10 minutes
Yes but at the end of the games we will just get 10 min of pick and go with no aim but to keep possesion to run down the clock. And i just dont agree with this as YC is a low end punishment with no repercussions. And RC normally lead to a Citing so it doesnt need to carry IMOThese are very good suggestions.
What about the idea of punishments being carried over into the next game i.e:
A yellow card in the last minute means the tream plays with 14 players for the first 9 minutes of their next game, similar for red to make sure that players don't try things on at the end of a match
where's Canada?Odd how little support this idea got on here when a random poster from Canada suggested it here a month ago.
i would add to the black card any dangerous play WITH intent, e.g. taking out a player in teh air, deliberate spear tackle, deliberately charging your shoulder into someones head.I have long believed that a sending off (with the team going down to 14 players for the rest of the match) should be reserved for for really serious, intentional foul play... the stuff that gets you a four week entry level sanction at the judiciary.
My proposal would be
Black Card - Biting, eye-gouging, bag-snatching, vilification, spitting, kicking, head butting and abuse of match officials - the player is not replaced
Red Card - all other acts of foul play - the player is sent off and is replaced after 20 minutes.
Yellow Card - as now, the player is temporarily suspended and may return after 10 minutes
I'd like it if there was more differentiation between foul play and cynical play. At risk of over complicating an already complicated set of laws and interpretations, I'd personally quite like the following:
White card - For cynical play. 5 mins in the bin. Intended for use against teams who are infringing on their own try line without the severity of a yellow. Can be given out a bit more easily. 2 white cards becomes a yellow.
Yellow - As present
Red - 20 mins in the bin and player can be replaced as a sub. If no suitable sub is available then the team goes down a player.
Black - Reserved solely for the worst foul play where a player is reckless and when there are no mitigating circumstances. Player leaves the field and automatic citing.
I may have this completely wrong but it seems like the guidance is a bit too rigid and refs are sometimes not keen on giving out a card that they feel may be too much of a punishment and risk being criticised for deciding the outcome. A lot of cynical play goes suitably unpunished, particularly when it comes down to conceding penalties defending the try line before a yellow is actually given. It also seems that the problem is the refs being able to spot offenses. The TMO is best placed to see the broad pictures and it may be worth having an assistant TMO so they can cover more offenses. A TMO should also be free to let the ref know of anything that is a potentially cardable offense rather than just foul play. When a TMO is analysing a decision though the emphasis should be on something being clear and obvious. A ref must always state the on field decision and the TMO would have 2 minutes to find any evidence to contradict that, if they cannot find clear and obvious evidence in that time, the on field decision stands.
The clock should stop for scrums until the ball is in and they should have the equivalent of "use it" for scrum setting up (and actually enforce the damn use it rule.)
Of course there is always the possibility this will make the whole thing an unwieldy clusterfuck and even worse than it is now but in my head it could work...
Why stop there? Let's give the referees a deck of cards, an Ace of Spades for an eye-gouge. 7 of Hearts if the ref has the feels for a player. 2 of Diamonds for not throwing straight...
Too many cards will make it overtechnical and way confusing. I'm quite happy with the yellow card thresholds for all the offences you can get. The real issue is the red card, and the impact it has a team in that a player won't return to the game.