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<blockquote data-quote="Nickdnz" data-source="post: 283355"><p><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Monkeypigeon @ Oct 17 2009, 08:43 AM) <a href="http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=416816" target="_blank"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div></p><p></p><p>1. Yeah, brilliant in 100 and something years, an Irish National rugby team has never beat New Zealand. Perhaps the last 1 year of that is relevant and in that time, yes you've beaten us once when the team was in an all time confidence low. It's about as irritating a point as 'your mam'. Who ever said that this had anything to do with Irish Rugby being better than New Zealand rugby. They didn't.</p><p></p><p>2. Tipoki - Retired, Mafi - Should be dropped, Howlett - Yeah, great player, Willaims - Hasn't started a Heineken Cup match...I don't know if hes even come off the bench, JdV - Been poor (though I'm sure he'll improve), Cullen - retired for about 3 years and was rubbish. Your Point? And O'Connell their only 'half decent' Irish player? I'll presume that's trolling but I'll start listing: Jerry Flannery (better than Hore this year by a mile), Tomas O'Leary (better than Cowan/Leonard this year), Wallace, Leamy, O'Callaghan (underrated) and Earls and I'm not even naming the marginal ones.</p><p></p><p>3. Contepomi is gone, Necewa shouldn't be starting though he is good, Whitaker is retired, Van der Linde is usually injured and doesn't deserve to be starting at the moment. and Elsom as you well know is gone. So I don't get your point here at all.</p><p></p><p>4. I won't argue with the too much there except that nobody said that the Heineken Cup produces better players though I do say that it's Currie Cup, Air New Zealand Cup produce better players.</p><p></p><p>Someone else also said earlier on that though the HCup is bigger it has some poor teams I'd like to point out that though there's only 14 teams in the Super 14 the Cheetahs and the Reds are rubbish and the Lions ain't upto much either.</p><p></p><p>Not going to say one is better than the other though. To be honest there's not much difference between the quality to be honest. but the HCup has it on format again. Though that's moot now seeing as the format for Super 15 will be different.</p><p></p><p><em>Disclaimer: This wasn't intended to wind anyone up. Please allow for a bias factor of 0.3 in favour of Europe.</em></p><p>[/b]</p></blockquote><p><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /> Yes there way a bit of trolling in there, particualy in the O'Connell only decent player wind up. As I have stated before, I have no problem with the Hieniken Cup, I believe it is an enjoyable and to a certain extent I will admit it is a better competition due to factors such as scheduals, venues, sponcership and the huge amount of salaries clubs can offer. However I am sure I'm not alone when I feel the Northen bias towards both NH teams and players, can get idiotic. The reasons these arguments start is due to NH members put the hands up for NH players, and overlook SH players, despite SH teams and players consistantly beating NH teams. It is like calling the Reds, the most dominant team in the Super 14, the statments lacks evidence and seemingly common sence. The fact that you claim du Preez is in a winning team and therefore looks better seems to be only one sided. If I stuck Luke Burgess in Finland's national rugby team, of course he is going to stand out, but just because he may be a stand out player, does that make him a better player then du Preez?</p><p></p><p>The fact of the matter is, is that the reason that SH teams do so well is due to the quality of the players, and if you actually watched du Preez through both the Super 14 and Tri Nations, he was up against tough opposition in Cowan and Ginea, and yet he made two quality players look average. And I don't even like du Preez, so it is painful to put my hand up for him, but he is diserving of the ***le.</p><p></p><p>Brian O'Driscol is undoubtably a great player. He is the best player in Ireland, and because of the fact he is the best person in the Irish backs, he is made to look great. However while I'm not even arguing he is nmot the best Center in the world, in my honest opinion I would rate a few players performances this year higher.</p><p></p><p>Your point about SH members not watching much NH rugby in some ways is valid, however I would say the average NH member, only watches International matches if that. I have watched probably between 25-30 games in the last two years of NH rugby, which by no means is THAT much, but I do try and follow to the best of my abuility seeing as that not many NH games are shown in NZ, however I have been watching the progress of the three teams I support in NH being Clemont, Harlequins and Munster (ironically), and while the games are entertaining, I believe they are games which can lack the same level of skill especially in terms of the break down area, however can be more entertaining. They remind me of gthe Super 12 in some aspects.</p><p></p><p>Yes, I admit that my points were in some respects were "No you suck" However you can see why SH members, which seem in a vast minority at times, get so defencive.</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="Nickdnz, post: 283355"] <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Monkeypigeon @ Oct 17 2009, 08:43 AM) [url='index.php?act=findpost&pid=416816']<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/url]</div> 1. Yeah, brilliant in 100 and something years, an Irish National rugby team has never beat New Zealand. Perhaps the last 1 year of that is relevant and in that time, yes you've beaten us once when the team was in an all time confidence low. It's about as irritating a point as 'your mam'. Who ever said that this had anything to do with Irish Rugby being better than New Zealand rugby. They didn't. 2. Tipoki - Retired, Mafi - Should be dropped, Howlett - Yeah, great player, Willaims - Hasn't started a Heineken Cup match...I don't know if hes even come off the bench, JdV - Been poor (though I'm sure he'll improve), Cullen - retired for about 3 years and was rubbish. Your Point? And O'Connell their only 'half decent' Irish player? I'll presume that's trolling but I'll start listing: Jerry Flannery (better than Hore this year by a mile), Tomas O'Leary (better than Cowan/Leonard this year), Wallace, Leamy, O'Callaghan (underrated) and Earls and I'm not even naming the marginal ones. 3. Contepomi is gone, Necewa shouldn't be starting though he is good, Whitaker is retired, Van der Linde is usually injured and doesn't deserve to be starting at the moment. and Elsom as you well know is gone. So I don't get your point here at all. 4. I won't argue with the too much there except that nobody said that the Heineken Cup produces better players though I do say that it's Currie Cup, Air New Zealand Cup produce better players. Someone else also said earlier on that though the HCup is bigger it has some poor teams I'd like to point out that though there's only 14 teams in the Super 14 the Cheetahs and the Reds are rubbish and the Lions ain't upto much either. Not going to say one is better than the other though. To be honest there's not much difference between the quality to be honest. but the HCup has it on format again. Though that's moot now seeing as the format for Super 15 will be different. [i]Disclaimer: This wasn't intended to wind anyone up. Please allow for a bias factor of 0.3 in favour of Europe.[/i] [/b][/quote] ;) Yes there way a bit of trolling in there, particualy in the O'Connell only decent player wind up. As I have stated before, I have no problem with the Hieniken Cup, I believe it is an enjoyable and to a certain extent I will admit it is a better competition due to factors such as scheduals, venues, sponcership and the huge amount of salaries clubs can offer. However I am sure I'm not alone when I feel the Northen bias towards both NH teams and players, can get idiotic. The reasons these arguments start is due to NH members put the hands up for NH players, and overlook SH players, despite SH teams and players consistantly beating NH teams. It is like calling the Reds, the most dominant team in the Super 14, the statments lacks evidence and seemingly common sence. The fact that you claim du Preez is in a winning team and therefore looks better seems to be only one sided. If I stuck Luke Burgess in Finland's national rugby team, of course he is going to stand out, but just because he may be a stand out player, does that make him a better player then du Preez? The fact of the matter is, is that the reason that SH teams do so well is due to the quality of the players, and if you actually watched du Preez through both the Super 14 and Tri Nations, he was up against tough opposition in Cowan and Ginea, and yet he made two quality players look average. And I don't even like du Preez, so it is painful to put my hand up for him, but he is diserving of the ***le. Brian O'Driscol is undoubtably a great player. He is the best player in Ireland, and because of the fact he is the best person in the Irish backs, he is made to look great. However while I'm not even arguing he is nmot the best Center in the world, in my honest opinion I would rate a few players performances this year higher. Your point about SH members not watching much NH rugby in some ways is valid, however I would say the average NH member, only watches International matches if that. I have watched probably between 25-30 games in the last two years of NH rugby, which by no means is THAT much, but I do try and follow to the best of my abuility seeing as that not many NH games are shown in NZ, however I have been watching the progress of the three teams I support in NH being Clemont, Harlequins and Munster (ironically), and while the games are entertaining, I believe they are games which can lack the same level of skill especially in terms of the break down area, however can be more entertaining. They remind me of gthe Super 12 in some aspects. Yes, I admit that my points were in some respects were "No you suck" However you can see why SH members, which seem in a vast minority at times, get so defencive. [/QUOTE]
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