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[2013 TRC] Australia vs. New Zealand in Sydney (17/08/2013)
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<blockquote data-quote="William18" data-source="post: 587549" data-attributes="member: 38439"><p>Has this forum gone really **** or has it always been this bad? I mean come on guys in terms of genuine, intelligent rugby discussion this thread is completely lacking. We have some people involved in pointless Lions vs the All Blacks discussions (save it for 2017, guys); others are either just blatantly trolling or else watched a very different game of rugby to me. </p><p></p><p>On to the game itself - I didn't think we were <em>that</em> good. None of our tight 5 played well at all. Our scrum is going to need to do a lot better than that this week. If it doesn't then we need to find players who can. South Africa would maul us if we scrum like that against them. The lineout was incredibly sloppy but you have those days every once in a while. I expect we will see Coles start this week. </p><p></p><p>In the loose forwards, I thought McCaw was pretty good. He looked a bit rusty at times and his handling was a bit suspect. However, then he took a fantastic kick off and got some turnovers/won some penalties. He's still got it. Luatua was fantastic on debut. I think he brings what we need to the side. In terms of an individual player I don't think Luatua is actually better than Messam or even Vito. However, I think he gives us the most complete loose forward trio. Read was a bit anonymous but he could afford to be. Australia did put a lot of pressure on us at the breakdown and Hooper was fantastic there. I think his injury really affected him poorly. Gill needs to start alongside him next week.</p><p></p><p>9/10 was where the game was won. Aaron Smith just completely outplayed Will Genia who is still the best halfback in the world. Genia is great around the base of the ruck but he still clears the ball too slowly. A. Smith always made the right decisions and was very quick at spreading the ball. He has his best game in ages. Cruden then marshalled the game excellently. He shows the danger that can be created when you have a first-five who is able to take on the line. Like Carter, he seems to always pick the right moment to really have a go. Toomua was anonymous which you should never say about a first-five.</p><p></p><p>Nonu missed a few first up tackles which was disappointing (but did get back to put a good hit on Ashley-Cooper). Conrad Smith was excellent as always. Dagg was quiet but even when quiet does the basics well. Ben Smith was fantastic. There was a lot of talk at halftime that Savea wasn't getting involved enough. He actually doesn't need to get involved though. You put him in space and he will show you what he can do. You don't want him stuck at the bottom of a ruck when a line break is made. Just by being there he looks hugely dangerous. Completely outshone Folau although he obviously had far more opportunities.</p><p></p><p>Overall, I think the best thing we did was pressurise Australia into making a lot of mistakes.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="William18, post: 587549, member: 38439"] Has this forum gone really **** or has it always been this bad? I mean come on guys in terms of genuine, intelligent rugby discussion this thread is completely lacking. We have some people involved in pointless Lions vs the All Blacks discussions (save it for 2017, guys); others are either just blatantly trolling or else watched a very different game of rugby to me. On to the game itself - I didn't think we were [I]that[/I] good. None of our tight 5 played well at all. Our scrum is going to need to do a lot better than that this week. If it doesn't then we need to find players who can. South Africa would maul us if we scrum like that against them. The lineout was incredibly sloppy but you have those days every once in a while. I expect we will see Coles start this week. In the loose forwards, I thought McCaw was pretty good. He looked a bit rusty at times and his handling was a bit suspect. However, then he took a fantastic kick off and got some turnovers/won some penalties. He's still got it. Luatua was fantastic on debut. I think he brings what we need to the side. In terms of an individual player I don't think Luatua is actually better than Messam or even Vito. However, I think he gives us the most complete loose forward trio. Read was a bit anonymous but he could afford to be. Australia did put a lot of pressure on us at the breakdown and Hooper was fantastic there. I think his injury really affected him poorly. Gill needs to start alongside him next week. 9/10 was where the game was won. Aaron Smith just completely outplayed Will Genia who is still the best halfback in the world. Genia is great around the base of the ruck but he still clears the ball too slowly. A. Smith always made the right decisions and was very quick at spreading the ball. He has his best game in ages. Cruden then marshalled the game excellently. He shows the danger that can be created when you have a first-five who is able to take on the line. Like Carter, he seems to always pick the right moment to really have a go. Toomua was anonymous which you should never say about a first-five. Nonu missed a few first up tackles which was disappointing (but did get back to put a good hit on Ashley-Cooper). Conrad Smith was excellent as always. Dagg was quiet but even when quiet does the basics well. Ben Smith was fantastic. There was a lot of talk at halftime that Savea wasn't getting involved enough. He actually doesn't need to get involved though. You put him in space and he will show you what he can do. You don't want him stuck at the bottom of a ruck when a line break is made. Just by being there he looks hugely dangerous. Completely outshone Folau although he obviously had far more opportunities. Overall, I think the best thing we did was pressurise Australia into making a lot of mistakes. [/QUOTE]
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