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[2013 TRC] South Africa vs. Argentina in Soweto (17/08/2013)
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<blockquote data-quote="smartcooky" data-source="post: 587473" data-attributes="member: 20605"><p>Firstly, its all very well to say they have had five years (they haven't actually, Longo was the only one of those to retire in 2007, but they don't have a professional league to develop players. They have to rely on mostly the French leagues to do that for them. I'm not saying it can't be done, bnut it is not as easy as form Mew Zealand and Wales, where the Hansen/Gatland get to see all their up and comers in the one competition right on their own doorstep.</p><p></p><p>Secondly, do you really believe that players with 30 to 50 caps have not established themselves? Remember Argentina have played far less tests since 1996 than other Tier 1 countries, 139 to be exact, while England (199), Australia (219), New Zealand (207), South Africa (215) and France (208) have played much more often. </p><p></p><p>Since the 2007 RWC and prior to joining the Rugby Championship, Argentina played only 24 tests </p><p></p><p>2008 - 7</p><p>2009 - 5</p><p>2010 - 6</p><p>2011 - 6 (5 RWC)</p><p></p><p>In the same time period, New Zealand (about typical for tier 1) played 55</p><p></p><p>2008 - 15</p><p>2009 - 14</p><p>2010 - 14</p><p>2011 - 12 (7 RWC)</p><p></p><p>A career of 50 tests for a Kiwi or an Aussie could represent as little as four years, while the same number of tests for Argentina could be seven or eight years. Not established? Pfffft!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="smartcooky, post: 587473, member: 20605"] Firstly, its all very well to say they have had five years (they haven't actually, Longo was the only one of those to retire in 2007, but they don't have a professional league to develop players. They have to rely on mostly the French leagues to do that for them. I'm not saying it can't be done, bnut it is not as easy as form Mew Zealand and Wales, where the Hansen/Gatland get to see all their up and comers in the one competition right on their own doorstep. Secondly, do you really believe that players with 30 to 50 caps have not established themselves? Remember Argentina have played far less tests since 1996 than other Tier 1 countries, 139 to be exact, while England (199), Australia (219), New Zealand (207), South Africa (215) and France (208) have played much more often. Since the 2007 RWC and prior to joining the Rugby Championship, Argentina played only 24 tests 2008 - 7 2009 - 5 2010 - 6 2011 - 6 (5 RWC) In the same time period, New Zealand (about typical for tier 1) played 55 2008 - 15 2009 - 14 2010 - 14 2011 - 12 (7 RWC) A career of 50 tests for a Kiwi or an Aussie could represent as little as four years, while the same number of tests for Argentina could be seven or eight years. Not established? Pfffft! [/QUOTE]
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