Except for the fact England left at least 13 points (try, conversion, Penalty and drop goal) out there and were absolutely dire in the second half after a great first half. By this logic that indicates that New Zealand were in fact lucky England were off their game? You can't factor in missed kicks and everything else in a performance, awful conditions and distance etc... all play a factor and you have to look at the absolutes not the what ifs. The what ifs are for the training paddock IMHO Whitelocks try was'n't a try as the ball wasn't over the line, I'm still to see a shot were the ball is clearly touching the white of the chalk. To be fair there is a shed load of whinging in this thread by the AB fans about how hard done by they are because their team played a bit badly. I mean the whole Hartley thing is ridiculous, no one would be calling for a penalty sanction against Hartley if Coles hadn't been an idiot - the whistle had gone and Hartley did no more than give his shirt a tug, it wasn't foul play had no impact on the sequence of play and to make out it was is utterly petty and a bit ridiculous (that's not aimed at you @Mr Fish ). Hartley and England wasn't rewarded for foul play, New Zealand were penalised for Coles being a d*ck. It's really that simple.