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[2014 EOYT] Wales vs New Zealand
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<blockquote data-quote="Larksea" data-source="post: 690413" data-attributes="member: 43875"><p>8 from 18 I did not make that figure up.</p><p></p><p>the fact that their kicking % age is similar but Barrett has an extra ~10m or so range is actually a MASSIVE difference. think about it. That range is also a factor in kicking for territory.</p><p></p><p>Cruden didn't kick in the 2011 WC because his kicking form at the time was much like it is right now. If Donald was not there to step up and take the kicks it may have been Dagg.</p><p></p><p>It's pretty clear history now that Cruden lasted 30min in the 2011 final, didn't fire a shot and it actually worked out well in the end as Donald ended up the perfect man for the job. When the game turned to Chaos as the french got desperate Donald made more tackles for the time he was on the field than any other All Black. Two critical turnovers resulted from two dominant tackles he made. Cruden is a good defender for his size, good heart and technique but he would have been totally out of his depth when the french went on a rampage trying to close the gap. He would have been grabbing at ankles in situations Donald was stopping runners Ball and all. Don't try and pretend the game would have been an easy All Blacks win if Cruden had played the 80 and been the main goal kicker. The more likely better theoretical result would have been if Donald had started he probably would have slotted the Shots Weepu missed. As it turned out Weepu was injured and it affected his kicking, yet he was still preferred kicker over Cruden.</p><p></p><p>The fact you credit the 2011 WC final to Cruden shows your bias.</p><p></p><p>Final statement before this thread goes totally off the rails. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Cruden is a great play maker. In that part of the game he's probably #1 in NZ</p><p>History shows that in world cup finals that will mean almost nothing.</p><p></p><p>Tom Taylor is probably our 5th - 6th 10? Yet hes maybe the best goal kicker in NZ has really good range on his kicks, is smart and can tackle anything. For all other rugby Cruden is #1-2 in NZ Taylor is #5-6 for WC finals Cruden is #4-5 Taylor is #1-2 I think we would all like to see a WC decided by running rugby line breaks and try assists. It's not going to happen. WC finals are about inches.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Larksea, post: 690413, member: 43875"] 8 from 18 I did not make that figure up. the fact that their kicking % age is similar but Barrett has an extra ~10m or so range is actually a MASSIVE difference. think about it. That range is also a factor in kicking for territory. Cruden didn't kick in the 2011 WC because his kicking form at the time was much like it is right now. If Donald was not there to step up and take the kicks it may have been Dagg. It's pretty clear history now that Cruden lasted 30min in the 2011 final, didn't fire a shot and it actually worked out well in the end as Donald ended up the perfect man for the job. When the game turned to Chaos as the french got desperate Donald made more tackles for the time he was on the field than any other All Black. Two critical turnovers resulted from two dominant tackles he made. Cruden is a good defender for his size, good heart and technique but he would have been totally out of his depth when the french went on a rampage trying to close the gap. He would have been grabbing at ankles in situations Donald was stopping runners Ball and all. Don't try and pretend the game would have been an easy All Blacks win if Cruden had played the 80 and been the main goal kicker. The more likely better theoretical result would have been if Donald had started he probably would have slotted the Shots Weepu missed. As it turned out Weepu was injured and it affected his kicking, yet he was still preferred kicker over Cruden. The fact you credit the 2011 WC final to Cruden shows your bias. Final statement before this thread goes totally off the rails. :) Cruden is a great play maker. In that part of the game he's probably #1 in NZ History shows that in world cup finals that will mean almost nothing. Tom Taylor is probably our 5th - 6th 10? Yet hes maybe the best goal kicker in NZ has really good range on his kicks, is smart and can tackle anything. For all other rugby Cruden is #1-2 in NZ Taylor is #5-6 for WC finals Cruden is #4-5 Taylor is #1-2 I think we would all like to see a WC decided by running rugby line breaks and try assists. It's not going to happen. WC finals are about inches. [/QUOTE]
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