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[2016 Super Rugby] SA Transfers & General Discussion
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<blockquote data-quote="TRF_stormer2010" data-source="post: 808351" data-attributes="member: 39190"><p>I wish I could speculate but while the Bulls have 8 players confirmed as leaving and 4 confirmed as being signed up the Stormers only have a few leaving and none coming in so far so very little movement. That said we should look quite a different outfit next year after the 7s.</p><p></p><p>Confirmed as leaving for the 2017 season:</p><p>Vincent Koch</p><p>Schalk Burger</p><p>Nic Groom</p><p>Jean Kleyn</p><p></p><p>We'll certainly miss the depth and experience of both Burger and Koch but we have more than able direct replacements if we can keep fit. Groom is already not a 1st choice starter.</p><p></p><p>So far the matchday 23 would probably look something like:</p><p></p><p>1 Oli Kebble (I am hoping we might lure Kitshof back dangling the Bok carrot and something can be organized about getting him released)</p><p>2 Bongi Mbonambi</p><p>3 Frans Malherbe</p><p>4 Eben Etzebeth</p><p>5 PS du Toit</p><p>6 Siya Kolisi</p><p>7 Sikhumbuzo Notshe</p><p>8 Nizaam Carr</p><p>9 Louis Schreuder</p><p>10 Rob du Preez</p><p>11 Seabelo Senatla</p><p>12 Damian de Allende</p><p>13 Juan de Jongh / Huw Jones</p><p>14 Cornal Hendricks / Kobus van Wyk / Lionel Zas</p><p>15 Cheslin Kolbe</p><p></p><p>16 Scarra Ntubeni</p><p>17 JC Janse van Rensburg / Ali Vermaak</p><p>18 ?</p><p>19 JD Shickerling</p><p>20 Jano Vermaak?</p><p>21 ?</p><p>22 Jean-Luc du Plessis</p><p>23 Jaco Taute</p><p></p><p>My summary;</p><p></p><p>Percieved weaknesses:</p><p>Props: Beyond Malherbe and Kebble the depth in quality isn't there aymore with Kitshff gone and Koch on the way out. Hope we can make a plan here as Malherbe is serially injured. An area of strnegth could easily become an area of concern.</p><p>Hooker: While I was flabbergasted at their selection for the Bokke and we have much better hookers in SA Mbonambi and Ntubeni are fine at SR level, add to our quota tally and know the ropes here. Its not as if our pack is lacking. Not an area of strength though.</p><p>Lock: Only the Chiefs can claim to equal us in this department with Bird and Retallick and we'll see on the weekend which pair gets the better. JD Shickerling is a promising young ock to do bench duty. Even with Jean Kleyn leaving we are well stocked unless we suffer multiple injuries.</p><p>Loose forward: I am hoping we get a good signing here. Kolisi, Notshe and Carr are all fine players but I question the combination and lack of impact without the ball. We need at least one loosie that can add presence at the breakdown, compete on opp ball and dominate the collision. Depth and experience might also be tested if we don't get someone in shore up this department. </p><p>Halves: Groom is leaving, I don't know if Vermaak is looking like adding much and then there is ony Schreuder who is alright but won't swing games. We have to keep our eyes open. I wish we could've signed up u20 Bok scrumhalf James Hall from the Kings. Between Rob du Preez and Jean Luc du Plessis we finally have quality and quality in depth and young enough to expect them to only get more rounded with experience (hpefully). So a bit of a mixed bag here.</p><p>Centers: Damian de Allende.. he'll probably go to Japan again and come back injured or overworked again. De Jongh also solid but with an asterisk or two next to his name. Huw Jones is a Scottish international now and that'll probably count against him. Here I am hoping we can snap up one of the Lions centers. Between Mapoe, Janse van Rensburg, Vorster, Mnisi and Hanekom (though I don't want Mnisi or Hanekom- then Id rather promote a WP youngster) they have more than they can effectively make use of.</p><p>Outside backs: Here is where I expect a lot of changes. Kolbe and Senatla will be back from Rio with the SA 7s squad and should add a lot of penetration working off of each other. If Hendricks can overcome his illness to take up the no. 14 jersey we have a slight but deadly back three. Taute and van Wyk can add some bulk when/if needed and Lleyds and Zas are tested back-up utility backs. No issues here IMO. I am backing Senatla to be up there with the top try scorers. If anything we are overstocked and possibly a little light weight?.. might we see Kobe go to 9 seeing as we need a player there and we have Taute and Lleyds to cover 15? Might be worth experimenting.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TRF_stormer2010, post: 808351, member: 39190"] I wish I could speculate but while the Bulls have 8 players confirmed as leaving and 4 confirmed as being signed up the Stormers only have a few leaving and none coming in so far so very little movement. That said we should look quite a different outfit next year after the 7s. Confirmed as leaving for the 2017 season: Vincent Koch Schalk Burger Nic Groom Jean Kleyn We'll certainly miss the depth and experience of both Burger and Koch but we have more than able direct replacements if we can keep fit. Groom is already not a 1st choice starter. So far the matchday 23 would probably look something like: 1 Oli Kebble (I am hoping we might lure Kitshof back dangling the Bok carrot and something can be organized about getting him released) 2 Bongi Mbonambi 3 Frans Malherbe 4 Eben Etzebeth 5 PS du Toit 6 Siya Kolisi 7 Sikhumbuzo Notshe 8 Nizaam Carr 9 Louis Schreuder 10 Rob du Preez 11 Seabelo Senatla 12 Damian de Allende 13 Juan de Jongh / Huw Jones 14 Cornal Hendricks / Kobus van Wyk / Lionel Zas 15 Cheslin Kolbe 16 Scarra Ntubeni 17 JC Janse van Rensburg / Ali Vermaak 18 ? 19 JD Shickerling 20 Jano Vermaak? 21 ? 22 Jean-Luc du Plessis 23 Jaco Taute My summary; Percieved weaknesses: Props: Beyond Malherbe and Kebble the depth in quality isn't there aymore with Kitshff gone and Koch on the way out. Hope we can make a plan here as Malherbe is serially injured. An area of strnegth could easily become an area of concern. Hooker: While I was flabbergasted at their selection for the Bokke and we have much better hookers in SA Mbonambi and Ntubeni are fine at SR level, add to our quota tally and know the ropes here. Its not as if our pack is lacking. Not an area of strength though. Lock: Only the Chiefs can claim to equal us in this department with Bird and Retallick and we'll see on the weekend which pair gets the better. JD Shickerling is a promising young ock to do bench duty. Even with Jean Kleyn leaving we are well stocked unless we suffer multiple injuries. Loose forward: I am hoping we get a good signing here. Kolisi, Notshe and Carr are all fine players but I question the combination and lack of impact without the ball. We need at least one loosie that can add presence at the breakdown, compete on opp ball and dominate the collision. Depth and experience might also be tested if we don't get someone in shore up this department. Halves: Groom is leaving, I don't know if Vermaak is looking like adding much and then there is ony Schreuder who is alright but won't swing games. We have to keep our eyes open. I wish we could've signed up u20 Bok scrumhalf James Hall from the Kings. Between Rob du Preez and Jean Luc du Plessis we finally have quality and quality in depth and young enough to expect them to only get more rounded with experience (hpefully). So a bit of a mixed bag here. Centers: Damian de Allende.. he'll probably go to Japan again and come back injured or overworked again. De Jongh also solid but with an asterisk or two next to his name. Huw Jones is a Scottish international now and that'll probably count against him. Here I am hoping we can snap up one of the Lions centers. Between Mapoe, Janse van Rensburg, Vorster, Mnisi and Hanekom (though I don't want Mnisi or Hanekom- then Id rather promote a WP youngster) they have more than they can effectively make use of. Outside backs: Here is where I expect a lot of changes. Kolbe and Senatla will be back from Rio with the SA 7s squad and should add a lot of penetration working off of each other. If Hendricks can overcome his illness to take up the no. 14 jersey we have a slight but deadly back three. Taute and van Wyk can add some bulk when/if needed and Lleyds and Zas are tested back-up utility backs. No issues here IMO. I am backing Senatla to be up there with the top try scorers. If anything we are overstocked and possibly a little light weight?.. might we see Kobe go to 9 seeing as we need a player there and we have Taute and Lleyds to cover 15? Might be worth experimenting. [/QUOTE]
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