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[2018 Super Rugby] Quarter-Finals: 20-21 July 2018
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<blockquote data-quote="Cruz_del_Sur" data-source="post: 911750" data-attributes="member: 55747"><p>Where do i start? </p><p>First, i didn't replied about jaguares' overall performance. I replied about jaguares' discipline. Not even remotely close to being the same thing. </p><p>Second, i used one as a proxy to measure the other. What you perceived as completely unrelated events where not only highly correlated but also causal (one was the cause of the other). Lavanini's record ended up being the main culprit of Jaguares' poor disciplinary record. </p><p>Third, and this is the kicker, you will find all the jaguares supporters blaming lavanini and lavanini only (never the ref) for his recklessness. Use the search function and you will see us calling him all kind of names over he last 2,5 years here. With that in mind, and given the amount of yellow cards he's received for that, it's only fair that we get to cry foul when that sort of recklessness is used against us. </p><p></p><p>Let me be crystal clear: we're not asking for any favours. We want to be treated the same way others are, and if you look at what happened the last two weekends, in pretty much as identical situations you can get in two different games, it is clear we are not. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, where to start. You <em>are</em> acting as if you thought two wrongs make a right. </p><p>On one hand you complain about lavanini's recklessness but you ALSO complain when jaguares supporters complain about the recklessness of others against them. Merriam webster defines that as a double standard. </p><p>You complain about recklessness when it comes from Lavanini but you call it "justice" when it's against him. That's not justice, that's using two different set of rules. </p><p></p><p>We have a lot of faults, a LOT. Hypocrisy is not one of them. We did not complain about the ref when Lavanini got (fairly) yellow/red carded. We just called him a moron, which he was. </p><p>But, unlike you, we appreciate consistency and congruence. We understood and respected that, when players acted recklessly, they deserved to be punished for it, regardless of the jersey they were wearing. </p><p>Last seasons it was a jaguares jersey, and we paid for it. Now it's someone else's and we expect the same. Nothing more, nothing less.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cruz_del_Sur, post: 911750, member: 55747"] Where do i start? First, i didn't replied about jaguares' overall performance. I replied about jaguares' discipline. Not even remotely close to being the same thing. Second, i used one as a proxy to measure the other. What you perceived as completely unrelated events where not only highly correlated but also causal (one was the cause of the other). Lavanini's record ended up being the main culprit of Jaguares' poor disciplinary record. Third, and this is the kicker, you will find all the jaguares supporters blaming lavanini and lavanini only (never the ref) for his recklessness. Use the search function and you will see us calling him all kind of names over he last 2,5 years here. With that in mind, and given the amount of yellow cards he's received for that, it's only fair that we get to cry foul when that sort of recklessness is used against us. Let me be crystal clear: we're not asking for any favours. We want to be treated the same way others are, and if you look at what happened the last two weekends, in pretty much as identical situations you can get in two different games, it is clear we are not. Again, where to start. You [I]are[/I] acting as if you thought two wrongs make a right. On one hand you complain about lavanini's recklessness but you ALSO complain when jaguares supporters complain about the recklessness of others against them. Merriam webster defines that as a double standard. You complain about recklessness when it comes from Lavanini but you call it "justice" when it's against him. That's not justice, that's using two different set of rules. We have a lot of faults, a LOT. Hypocrisy is not one of them. We did not complain about the ref when Lavanini got (fairly) yellow/red carded. We just called him a moron, which he was. But, unlike you, we appreciate consistency and congruence. We understood and respected that, when players acted recklessly, they deserved to be punished for it, regardless of the jersey they were wearing. Last seasons it was a jaguares jersey, and we paid for it. Now it's someone else's and we expect the same. Nothing more, nothing less. [/QUOTE]
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