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[2019 Rugby Championship] Round 2: New Zealand vs. South Africa (27/07/2019)
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<blockquote data-quote="unrated" data-source="post: 951144" data-attributes="member: 45773"><p>I say we don't do anything to Barret now. No citing and no ban.</p><p></p><p>But it's cheating and all forms of cheating is equal and should have no place in rugby. I don't buy the argument that rugby will become more stop start if they penalised it. In fact it will become more free flowing long term.</p><p></p><p>My proposal would be that WR announces that going forward that they will put more emphasis on this. For now illegal ball moving later they can add other issues that gets highlighted. </p><p></p><p>So they say it's illegal don't do it and if the ref catches you he reverses the penalty. Remember no one told you to cheat so reversal really is not that bad a penalty and you will most likely be in the opposition half otherwise you probably would not have attempted the kick in which you tried to manipulate the ball position illegally. </p><p></p><p>But if the ref misses it then just like a post game citing of an illegal tackle a citing commissioner should be able to look back at games and identifying instances where refs where purposefully bamboozled or deceived by illegal acts or behaviour. Then just as in a normal citing process there will be mitigating factors. Let's say the average ban would be for two games. </p><p></p><p>Use this example. WR announces this now. </p><p></p><p>Richie Mounga decides to do this in the next game without the ref knowing. The citing commissioner picks it up.</p><p></p><p>Now Richie has never been caught doing this before. So we reduce it to 1 week. If he does it again it's standard two weeks. If he does it again it could be three.</p><p></p><p>All you guys say it's so common. Well this could actually help it become less common in the long term and it won't be bad for the game. It eradicates the cheating and players were warned beforehand they then have a choice to take that risk but may face the consequences. Does that really sound so bad?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="unrated, post: 951144, member: 45773"] I say we don’t do anything to Barret now. No citing and no ban. But it’s cheating and all forms of cheating is equal and should have no place in rugby. I don’t buy the argument that rugby will become more stop start if they penalised it. In fact it will become more free flowing long term. My proposal would be that WR announces that going forward that they will put more emphasis on this. For now illegal ball moving later they can add other issues that gets highlighted. So they say it’s illegal don’t do it and if the ref catches you he reverses the penalty. Remember no one told you to cheat so reversal really is not that bad a penalty and you will most likely be in the opposition half otherwise you probably would not have attempted the kick in which you tried to manipulate the ball position illegally. But if the ref misses it then just like a post game citing of an illegal tackle a citing commissioner should be able to look back at games and identifying instances where refs where purposefully bamboozled or deceived by illegal acts or behaviour. Then just as in a normal citing process there will be mitigating factors. Let’s say the average ban would be for two games. Use this example. WR announces this now. Richie Mounga decides to do this in the next game without the ref knowing. The citing commissioner picks it up. Now Richie has never been caught doing this before. So we reduce it to 1 week. If he does it again it’s standard two weeks. If he does it again it could be three. All you guys say it’s so common. Well this could actually help it become less common in the long term and it won’t be bad for the game. It eradicates the cheating and players were warned beforehand they then have a choice to take that risk but may face the consequences. Does that really sound so bad? [/QUOTE]
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