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[2021 Six Nations] England Squad
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<blockquote data-quote="Jakedood" data-source="post: 1031986" data-attributes="member: 72409"><p>I'll point out a couple of things then... Haskell, Robshaw and Danny Care played every six nations game in 2018. They never played for England again. ( i think, may be wrong re robshaw mind as i know he toured SA). Wigglesworth played 2 more games after that Six Nations. Apparently in 2018, 20 of his world cup squad toured with him (out of 32) and another 8 of his squad were injured or unavailable for that tour, so I'd pay a lot of attention to the summer tour squads, and more likely the one for Autumn with the Lions back</p><p>Sometimes, its not the up and comers he wants to see, its can the players nipping at their tails make them better, if they cant raise their game then they're off</p><p></p><p>I think there'll be a lot of changes come the autumn, and this time next year may feature 5/6 new England players in the 23. It's entirely possible. Jones was ruthless even when it came to dropping Dylan Hartley for goodness sake.</p><p>You earn caps by being better over a consistent period of time, and showing that, Odogwu may earn his chance yet</p><p>I've a feeling Randall may have gotten some time if not for injury, Jack Willis would have gotten a lot more too... might even have been tempted by a Curry, Underhill, Willis back row at some point, its worth acknowledging some really bright players have been injured in the leadup. But i think this is the turning point, if things dont change by Autumn i think he'll be off</p><p>But I see a lot of campaigning for players like Dunn to get more time etc, when in reality, they're 3rd best in their position. If you want the position, you have to improve, and be better than the incumbents. Daly to me was one of Englands better players v Ireland, and he showed his class with a kick up the ass. I just dont think this is all as straightforward as that, and the core of England's player pool like Itoje, Farrell, etc are really hard grafters, high work rate players. They set standards, meaning its tough to say "this is too much work" when others around you are doing just fine</p><p>I'm rambling a little now, and Im not saying theres definitely no unhappiness, but EJ seems a straight shooter with players, tells them how it is, and that always seems to lead to a much stronger bond than when you get mollycoddled</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jakedood, post: 1031986, member: 72409"] I'll point out a couple of things then... Haskell, Robshaw and Danny Care played every six nations game in 2018. They never played for England again. ( i think, may be wrong re robshaw mind as i know he toured SA). Wigglesworth played 2 more games after that Six Nations. Apparently in 2018, 20 of his world cup squad toured with him (out of 32) and another 8 of his squad were injured or unavailable for that tour, so I'd pay a lot of attention to the summer tour squads, and more likely the one for Autumn with the Lions back Sometimes, its not the up and comers he wants to see, its can the players nipping at their tails make them better, if they cant raise their game then they're off I think there'll be a lot of changes come the autumn, and this time next year may feature 5/6 new England players in the 23. It's entirely possible. Jones was ruthless even when it came to dropping Dylan Hartley for goodness sake. You earn caps by being better over a consistent period of time, and showing that, Odogwu may earn his chance yet I've a feeling Randall may have gotten some time if not for injury, Jack Willis would have gotten a lot more too... might even have been tempted by a Curry, Underhill, Willis back row at some point, its worth acknowledging some really bright players have been injured in the leadup. But i think this is the turning point, if things dont change by Autumn i think he'll be off But I see a lot of campaigning for players like Dunn to get more time etc, when in reality, they're 3rd best in their position. If you want the position, you have to improve, and be better than the incumbents. Daly to me was one of Englands better players v Ireland, and he showed his class with a kick up the ass. I just dont think this is all as straightforward as that, and the core of England's player pool like Itoje, Farrell, etc are really hard grafters, high work rate players. They set standards, meaning its tough to say "this is too much work" when others around you are doing just fine I'm rambling a little now, and Im not saying theres definitely no unhappiness, but EJ seems a straight shooter with players, tells them how it is, and that always seems to lead to a much stronger bond than when you get mollycoddled [/QUOTE]
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