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[2021 Six Nations] England vs France (13/03/21)

Yeah but when you've been given an 8/14 point advantage you'll never really see a true reflection of who deserved to win or who were the better team on the day. The only thing we know from that game is Wales were the better team when given a headstart.
I know so we'll just have to accept it. I don't see it as a turning point in England v Wales rivalry though. England will probably go on to greater success outside of the 6N. Wales are 6N specialists. It's one of the greatest anomalies in world sport.
 
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I will congratulate Wales if they win the grand slam. Massive if as the talk is ridiculous! Wales have to go to Paris and win, against the best french side we've seen in over a decade.
 
Massive if as the talk is ridiculous! Wales have to go to Paris and win, against the best french side we've seen in over a decade.
Exactly my thinking, they ran in trys against a shite Italy team and rode their luck in the other 3 games and now acting like its a mortal lock.
 
When were we ever sufferable
I know it is a dangerous position to be in for a French supporter to interfere in the perennial brawl between English and Welsh supporters, but to give the Welsh what I think is their due:

- they probably do not have the best players the 6N can offer and many of their strongest assets are past their prime
- but they have by far the best rugby brain of all teams in the competition (experience, but not just that)
- they can collectively switch from one tactic to another depending on the conditions and the state of the competition
- they almost always sense how to best match their opponents
- they are able to adjust to all refereeing styles, much better than the English or the French for instance

Look at the way they practically matched SA in the 2019 semi-finals while being largely outpowered on every line and compare it to what happened to the English team in the WC final, that was crushed because they could not adjust tactically and only tried to beat the saffers in a game of collision.
At the same time, they probably would not have beaten the Blacks and definitely not as comprehensively as the English did. But their ability to adjust and play practically at potential every time is very impressive. French and English were at 90% yesterday, but we have seen them at 60% sometimes. The Welsh always seem to be at 95%, even though it might not be enough.

And no, I m not trying to lull them into any sort of complacency for next Saturday :)
 
I know this a different side but back in the world cup the Gatland side of well over a decade were one of the most one dimensional sides to ever grace a rugby. Their entire gameplan was to turn the game into a low scoring turgid arm wrestle and then win backed on the percentages that your are more likely to cause and upset in a close game than otherwise.

The only reason they had 'parity' against SA is both sides were playing the same game plan. The following week showed what happened if they didn't turn it into one of those matches.
 
"Wales are the worst team to ever make a world cup semi final".

Alan Quinlan, just before the semi final kick off.
 
I don't think that was the same England that we played, to beat France we will have to up our game considerably. I've never really understood the bashing England has had especially from their own fans, as some of the individuals they have are some of the best in the World, I played in the BR and I have never understood the adulation given to Billy as a number 8 he does the same thing every game (head down and Charge) I was always told someone who does not differ his game is easily stopped, but he did have a better game yesterday than he has for some time, perhaps because he was underrated but, what he does he does well if you let him.
Yes, it wasn't the charge threat that was his great asset, his ability to offload or pick pivot passes was his strength.
Defenders couldn't commit to tackle as he would pass it on and in doing so enabled him to bust the weaker tackle.

Now he just goes into contact and defenders can commit to the tackle, making it harder for him to break.
He needs to find the form of making the right choice of when to charge and when to pass.
 
"Wales are the worst team to ever make a world cup semi final".

Alan Quinlan, just before the semi final kick off.
Possibly, but an average team at 95% can match an excellent team at 70. Look at both the English or the French team yesterday, on sheer potential you would think they would just flatten this Welsh team. Look at what happened a week ago. And I will not watch next week game in Paris fully confident we will stop their slam and win.
TBH I do not remember much about Gatland era Wales, but probably because of what you describe, maybe not much to remember...
Ah yes, the WC semi we won in 2011, one of the luckiest victory of any French team in the modern era!
 
For what it's worth the only game I'm confident we would've lost if it wasn't for a card/TMO decision is the Ireland one but even then it's how you would define luck. I would've said we would've been unlucky had POM not been sent off but yeah I guess we were lucky POM was a ******* idiot early on otherwise we probably would've lost.

We were in the ascendency against Scotland prior to the red but no doubt the red helped us win the game. But again, I think in the current climate we would've been very unlucky had Fagurson not been sent off so it's all down to how you spin it.

I think we still would've beaten England without the dodgy knock on call but you can't really say either way with any confidence, unlike the Ireland game.
Bullocks you were 17-15 down come the red card
 
What should be given consideration is, were France affected by the covid due to the way their performance really dropped off in the second half.

Does a past covid infection cause an issue for players lung power etc
 
Yeah but we were 17-3 weren't we? Or something like that. Then we got the try before HT to make it 17-8 and then 17-15. My point being momentum was with us.
You were losing and scored two tries against 14 men
 
You were losing and scored two tries against 14 men

Yeah but momentum was with us prior to the red so it's not like you can say Scotland would've definitely won had it not been for the red. As I said it helped for sure but it wasn't like the Ireland game in my opinion.
 
What should be given consideration is, were France affected by the covid due to the way their performance really dropped off in the second half.

Does a past covid infection cause an issue for players lung power etc
For some people I know it's had no effect but I've also got a colleague at work who was fit bit now gets out of breath walking upstairs. This is 3 months after his COVID past.
 
Exactly my thinking, they ran in trys against a shite Italy team and rode their luck in the other 3 games and now acting like its a mortal lock.
No one is acting like it's locked in though... I don't know how many times I for one have stated we'll be underdogs!
 
For some people I know it's had no effect but I've also got a colleague at work who was fit bit now gets out of breath walking upstairs. This is 3 months after his COVID past.
I'm not trying to pour scorn on the England win, so don't go there. (Not suggesting your reply did)

I agree some will suffer long term, it's been documented. I just wonder if it's possible the covid may/have affected France and by association the six nations more than we care to acknowledge
 

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