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<blockquote data-quote="Melhor Time" data-source="post: 514591" data-attributes="member: 20116"><p>Going off comments in the Argentine press I´d say the team could well be as follows</p><p></p><p>15 Amorosino, 14 Agulla, 13 RodrÃguez, 12 Fernández, 11 Imhoff, 10 Hernández, 9 Vergallo, 8 Fernández Lobbe, 7 Leguizamón, 6 De La Vega, 5 Albacete, 4 Carizza, 3 Figallo, 2 Creevy, 1 Ayerza </p><p></p><p>16 Guiñazú, 17 Roncero, 18 FarÃas, 19 Galindo, 20 Cubelli, 21 Bosch, 22 Camacho</p><p></p><p>I´d change it a little. i.e. 14 Bustos Moyano and 13 Agulla. Bustos Moyano is the leading goalkicker. Plus the bench. I would not pick Guiñazú but Phelan probably will due to his obsession with having two props on the bench. Guiñazú was good 5 years ago but not today. Senatore should be the #19 but was poor vs France in Tucumán so now I don´t really mind if its him or Galindo. Cubelli will be Argentina´starting scrumhalf in 12 months. He´s just turned 23. Vergallo has no running game. He´s just a great organizer esp in defence. I question whether this will be enough vs the worlds top 3. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.athletesperformance.com/about/locations/gulf-breeze-florida/" target="_blank">Click here</a> to see the facilities. </p><p></p><p><span style="color: #666666"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">1020 Gulf Breeze Parkway</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #666666"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">Gulf Breeze, FL 32561</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is true. However, each player has individual circumstances. Biarritz, for instance, gave Guiñazú a new contract saying sign it or go play in TRC. Similar thing happend with Carizza but the same club signed Bosch without any such hassles. Stade Français are being said to not want to release Contepomi while the same club is happy for RodrÃguez to be released and he just signed on for two more years. The UAR is really just trying its best to show good will. This is also World Cup year (still) which means it would be madness to have fielded the top players in June. Some, like you have rightly pointed out, shoud have. Vergallo, Fernández Lobbe, etc. I am happy that Cubelli and Landajo were used though. In the end while it was not the real test side Argentina are a lot better off now than one month ago. </p><p></p><p>Incidently, Mieres is not rated by Phelan. Going off others comments, Phelan thinks the order is Hernández, Fernández, Bosch, Sánchez. 12 months ago Sánchez was ahead of Mieres without question. Not now, as Mieres was really good for Exeter but its a hard call as Sánchez had a bad injury for much of the season. </p><p></p><p>Cubelli captained Los Pampas XV in warmup matches this year. Argentine fans I know and the press I have read indicated Cubelli is considered better than Landajo. Cubelli´s disadvantage is that he ahs been in the set up for less time than Landajo who is into his fourth year. Argentina are looking for more tries. Cubelli is the better of the two. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Those who faced France are Tomás Cubelli, Tomás De La Vega, Julio FarÃas, Eusebio Guiñazú, MartÃn Landajo, Tomás LeonardÃ, Bruno Postiglioni and Leonardo Senatore. Rodrigo Roncero played against Italy.</p><p></p><p>In February the <a href="http://rugbyworldcup-argentina2023.blogspot.com.br/2012/02/uar-signs-10-players-on-professional.html" target="_blank">UAR signed ten players on pro contracts</a>. Cubelli, De La Vega, FarÃas, Landajo, Leonardà and Postiglioni were all signed. Guiñazú and Senatore were not as they were playing in France at the time. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Carballo is Rafael Carballo. Centre or winger for Bordeaux-Begles. I don´t know why he was selected to be honest. It looks strange now that all of Belisario Agulla, Manuel Montero and JoaquÃn Tuculet were good in June. Carballo can play 13 but Bosch is certainly better while RodrÃguez has been leaked as being the new man for the position and Horacio Agulla is certain to start and should indeed be 13 given his form, size and experience. </p><p></p><p>Orlandi is fifth choice, certainly. He is ok but, honestly Francisco Goméz Kodela is better. I think Orlandi will only play if injuries rule others out. He is not a good enough scrumager. Galindo was to start in the World Cup in the 6 shirt only to get injured in training. A serious <a href="http://rugbyworldcup-argentina2023.blogspot.com.br/2011/08/genaro-fessia-replaces-alvaro-galindo.html" target="_blank">injury in his bicep</a> ruled him out of the tournament around 10 days before it started. </p><p></p><p>I think <a href="http://rugbyworldcup-argentina2023.blogspot.com.br/2012/06/juan-cruz-guillemain-and-lisandro-gomez.html" target="_blank">Juan Cruz GuillemaÃn</a> (the lock you mention) will play in November. Vallejos is not flashy at all but is a good jumper and defender. He fits what Phelan wants from a fourth choice player. I am glad it is him over Esteban Lozada.</p><p></p><p>I agree fully with your assesment of the starting forwards. If Phelan has been paying attention to Graham Henry then Amorosino and Imhoff will be the 15 and 11. Indeed, if he has been looking to actually change how Argentina play so they can score more tries and in a punishing way that the SANZAR sides are famous for then he will go for Hernández-Fernández-Agulla at 10-13 with Camacho or Bustos Moyano at 14 joining Amorosino and Imhoff in the backthree. Fernández for 12 is ideal as he is a much better passer than RodrÃguez or Bosch. Above all, Argentina have good wingers now, something unimaginable 6 years ago, so making use of them is vital. Previously coahces went for centres who could play wing like Aramburu and Senillosa at France 2007 for instance.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Melhor Time, post: 514591, member: 20116"] Going off comments in the Argentine press I´d say the team could well be as follows 15 Amorosino, 14 Agulla, 13 RodrÃguez, 12 Fernández, 11 Imhoff, 10 Hernández, 9 Vergallo, 8 Fernández Lobbe, 7 Leguizamón, 6 De La Vega, 5 Albacete, 4 Carizza, 3 Figallo, 2 Creevy, 1 Ayerza 16 Guiñazú, 17 Roncero, 18 FarÃas, 19 Galindo, 20 Cubelli, 21 Bosch, 22 Camacho I´d change it a little. i.e. 14 Bustos Moyano and 13 Agulla. Bustos Moyano is the leading goalkicker. Plus the bench. I would not pick Guiñazú but Phelan probably will due to his obsession with having two props on the bench. Guiñazú was good 5 years ago but not today. Senatore should be the #19 but was poor vs France in Tucumán so now I don´t really mind if its him or Galindo. Cubelli will be Argentina´starting scrumhalf in 12 months. He´s just turned 23. Vergallo has no running game. He´s just a great organizer esp in defence. I question whether this will be enough vs the worlds top 3. [URL="http://www.athletesperformance.com/about/locations/gulf-breeze-florida/"]Click here[/URL] to see the facilities. [COLOR=#666666][FONT=Helvetica]1020 Gulf Breeze Parkway[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#666666][FONT=Helvetica]Gulf Breeze, FL 32561[/FONT][/COLOR] This is true. However, each player has individual circumstances. Biarritz, for instance, gave Guiñazú a new contract saying sign it or go play in TRC. Similar thing happend with Carizza but the same club signed Bosch without any such hassles. Stade Français are being said to not want to release Contepomi while the same club is happy for RodrÃguez to be released and he just signed on for two more years. The UAR is really just trying its best to show good will. This is also World Cup year (still) which means it would be madness to have fielded the top players in June. Some, like you have rightly pointed out, shoud have. Vergallo, Fernández Lobbe, etc. I am happy that Cubelli and Landajo were used though. In the end while it was not the real test side Argentina are a lot better off now than one month ago. Incidently, Mieres is not rated by Phelan. Going off others comments, Phelan thinks the order is Hernández, Fernández, Bosch, Sánchez. 12 months ago Sánchez was ahead of Mieres without question. Not now, as Mieres was really good for Exeter but its a hard call as Sánchez had a bad injury for much of the season. Cubelli captained Los Pampas XV in warmup matches this year. Argentine fans I know and the press I have read indicated Cubelli is considered better than Landajo. Cubelli´s disadvantage is that he ahs been in the set up for less time than Landajo who is into his fourth year. Argentina are looking for more tries. Cubelli is the better of the two. Those who faced France are Tomás Cubelli, Tomás De La Vega, Julio FarÃas, Eusebio Guiñazú, MartÃn Landajo, Tomás LeonardÃ, Bruno Postiglioni and Leonardo Senatore. Rodrigo Roncero played against Italy. In February the [URL="http://rugbyworldcup-argentina2023.blogspot.com.br/2012/02/uar-signs-10-players-on-professional.html"]UAR signed ten players on pro contracts[/URL]. Cubelli, De La Vega, FarÃas, Landajo, Leonardà and Postiglioni were all signed. Guiñazú and Senatore were not as they were playing in France at the time. Carballo is Rafael Carballo. Centre or winger for Bordeaux-Begles. I don´t know why he was selected to be honest. It looks strange now that all of Belisario Agulla, Manuel Montero and JoaquÃn Tuculet were good in June. Carballo can play 13 but Bosch is certainly better while RodrÃguez has been leaked as being the new man for the position and Horacio Agulla is certain to start and should indeed be 13 given his form, size and experience. Orlandi is fifth choice, certainly. He is ok but, honestly Francisco Goméz Kodela is better. I think Orlandi will only play if injuries rule others out. He is not a good enough scrumager. Galindo was to start in the World Cup in the 6 shirt only to get injured in training. A serious [URL="http://rugbyworldcup-argentina2023.blogspot.com.br/2011/08/genaro-fessia-replaces-alvaro-galindo.html"]injury in his bicep[/URL] ruled him out of the tournament around 10 days before it started. I think [URL="http://rugbyworldcup-argentina2023.blogspot.com.br/2012/06/juan-cruz-guillemain-and-lisandro-gomez.html"]Juan Cruz GuillemaÃn[/URL] (the lock you mention) will play in November. Vallejos is not flashy at all but is a good jumper and defender. He fits what Phelan wants from a fourth choice player. I am glad it is him over Esteban Lozada. I agree fully with your assesment of the starting forwards. If Phelan has been paying attention to Graham Henry then Amorosino and Imhoff will be the 15 and 11. Indeed, if he has been looking to actually change how Argentina play so they can score more tries and in a punishing way that the SANZAR sides are famous for then he will go for Hernández-Fernández-Agulla at 10-13 with Camacho or Bustos Moyano at 14 joining Amorosino and Imhoff in the backthree. Fernández for 12 is ideal as he is a much better passer than RodrÃguez or Bosch. Above all, Argentina have good wingers now, something unimaginable 6 years ago, so making use of them is vital. Previously coahces went for centres who could play wing like Aramburu and Senillosa at France 2007 for instance. [/QUOTE]
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