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<blockquote data-quote="psychic duck" data-source="post: 517178" data-attributes="member: 48703"><p>Eddie Jones has actually ruffled a lot of feathers down there in Japan, he is very outspoken in a culture where the etiquette isn't to do so.</p><p></p><p>He absolutely lambasted his side after their French Barbarians defeat calling the side "abysmal" and giving the side some Fergie-esque hairdryer treatment. See this rant on this interview.</p><p></p><p>Watch between 2:45 and 3:20 as the Japan captain picks up the mic and smiles, and gets put down by Eddie Jones who goes on a rant. He goes on another rant at 5:50 until the end of the video and onto the second video.</p><p></p><p><iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/qubao1O6Ldc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen=""></iframe></p><p></p><p><iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/LbZpAnaUOi0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen=""></iframe></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Also worth noting that Japan after media criticism have decided to stop playing New Zealanders/Tongans who qualify via 3 years playing in the Japanese league (hence why James Arlidge, Justin Ives, Luke Thompson and Bryce Robins and others have been dropped, Ryan Nicholas is the only real import they have selected this year).</p><p></p><p>But after media criticism of the Japanese players performances against the French Barbarians, Jones said he may change his selection policy.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I know somebody who lives and follows rugby closely in Japan who told me it was actually Japan's weaker U20 team over the past few years (the also lost reasonably heavily to Tonga U20 in a fixture outside the tournament), and it was surprising they actually reached the final.</p><p></p><p>Whilst it would have been great for them to win the tournament, but I wouldn't be too devastated, look at the 2011 champions Samoa's results against New Zealand and Wales this year (63-0 and 74-3) and then add about 10-20 points to it if it was Japan. All the teams in the IRB Junior World Trophy would get a mauling. Obviously, it would have been good to test themselves out against that opposition, but not the end of the world they didn't get the chance</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It would be preferable perhaps, but that's more top tier tours any other Tier 2 nations, more than the Pacific Islanders are scheduled to get, and of course more than Eastern Europe's combined total of 0 scheduled top tier fixtures.</p><p></p><p>They play Georgia and Romania this November. Should be an interesting match against Georgia, provided Georgia doesn't have 16 forwards unavailable like they did in June.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Why was it "somewhat unlucky" to come up Italy and Samoa?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Christian Loamanu (banned for life from the Japanese team for a cannabis related incident) has played with Toulon and has signed with Treviso for next season.</p><p></p><p>Tanaka and Horie are both aiming to be selected in the Highlanders Super Rugby squad in 2013 by the way.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If they can get to the level of Samoa? You could say that about any nation though.</p><p></p><p>I do think Japan can improve when they get more professional, but 2019 I think looks a bit soon. They lack some basics which no side can succeed without, like a good scrum and defence. They are kind of like a worse tackling version of Canada at the moment.</p><p></p><p>What is it in this particular side that strikes you as them being likely to improve to be level with the best Tier 2 side in 7 years?</p><p></p><p>The only way they can do it that quickly, is to boost the side with imported talent which qualifies after 3 years in the Top League, or send players <strong>in mass</strong> to play in Europe/SANZAR. I can't see the latter happening, and the first was criticised in 2011. I can't think of that much of dramatic improvements in that timescale without using the methods of importing players from a higher level, or exporting players to a higher level.</p><p></p><p>We'll have to wait and see about top seeding, England as hosts for 2015, won't automatically be top seeds in their pool at the World Cup. But then Japan would need more help to get through.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Japan's first (and only) World Cup win was in 1991 against Zimbabwe. Since then they haven't won a World Cup game, but drew to Canada twice in 2007 (a game they rescued in stoppage time) and 2011 (a game they blew after leading for most of it).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="psychic duck, post: 517178, member: 48703"] Eddie Jones has actually ruffled a lot of feathers down there in Japan, he is very outspoken in a culture where the etiquette isn't to do so. He absolutely lambasted his side after their French Barbarians defeat calling the side "abysmal" and giving the side some Fergie-esque hairdryer treatment. See this rant on this interview. Watch between 2:45 and 3:20 as the Japan captain picks up the mic and smiles, and gets put down by Eddie Jones who goes on a rant. He goes on another rant at 5:50 until the end of the video and onto the second video. <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/qubao1O6Ldc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen=""></iframe> <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/LbZpAnaUOi0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen=""></iframe> Also worth noting that Japan after media criticism have decided to stop playing New Zealanders/Tongans who qualify via 3 years playing in the Japanese league (hence why James Arlidge, Justin Ives, Luke Thompson and Bryce Robins and others have been dropped, Ryan Nicholas is the only real import they have selected this year). But after media criticism of the Japanese players performances against the French Barbarians, Jones said he may change his selection policy. I know somebody who lives and follows rugby closely in Japan who told me it was actually Japan's weaker U20 team over the past few years (the also lost reasonably heavily to Tonga U20 in a fixture outside the tournament), and it was surprising they actually reached the final. Whilst it would have been great for them to win the tournament, but I wouldn't be too devastated, look at the 2011 champions Samoa's results against New Zealand and Wales this year (63-0 and 74-3) and then add about 10-20 points to it if it was Japan. All the teams in the IRB Junior World Trophy would get a mauling. Obviously, it would have been good to test themselves out against that opposition, but not the end of the world they didn't get the chance It would be preferable perhaps, but that's more top tier tours any other Tier 2 nations, more than the Pacific Islanders are scheduled to get, and of course more than Eastern Europe's combined total of 0 scheduled top tier fixtures. They play Georgia and Romania this November. Should be an interesting match against Georgia, provided Georgia doesn't have 16 forwards unavailable like they did in June. Why was it "somewhat unlucky" to come up Italy and Samoa? Christian Loamanu (banned for life from the Japanese team for a cannabis related incident) has played with Toulon and has signed with Treviso for next season. Tanaka and Horie are both aiming to be selected in the Highlanders Super Rugby squad in 2013 by the way. If they can get to the level of Samoa? You could say that about any nation though. I do think Japan can improve when they get more professional, but 2019 I think looks a bit soon. They lack some basics which no side can succeed without, like a good scrum and defence. They are kind of like a worse tackling version of Canada at the moment. What is it in this particular side that strikes you as them being likely to improve to be level with the best Tier 2 side in 7 years? The only way they can do it that quickly, is to boost the side with imported talent which qualifies after 3 years in the Top League, or send players [B]in mass[/B] to play in Europe/SANZAR. I can't see the latter happening, and the first was criticised in 2011. I can't think of that much of dramatic improvements in that timescale without using the methods of importing players from a higher level, or exporting players to a higher level. We'll have to wait and see about top seeding, England as hosts for 2015, won't automatically be top seeds in their pool at the World Cup. But then Japan would need more help to get through. Japan's first (and only) World Cup win was in 1991 against Zimbabwe. Since then they haven't won a World Cup game, but drew to Canada twice in 2007 (a game they rescued in stoppage time) and 2011 (a game they blew after leading for most of it). [/QUOTE]
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