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<blockquote data-quote="Peat" data-source="post: 367568" data-attributes="member: 42330"><p>Ok, you make a fair point that there are definitley scrummaging options out there. Jerry Cronin at Ballynahinch (and now Ulster) hasn't done badly and is a native Munsterman. Depends slightly on what Kidney thinks though doesn't it? If he wants to give Buckley another central contract, how much choice do they have? And while I know Munster have basically gone through a spell of providing Ireland's props, I really don't think the answer for Ireland is to just pass the responsibility to another province.</p><p></p><p>The ideal thing for Munster there (I think) would be to release du Preez, ask Dave Ryan and Darragh Hurley to cover loosehead, and then they'd probably get away with a NIQ tighthead providing Ulster doesn't retain Botha.</p><p></p><p>As for the youth thing... at the end of the day, some players are ready that quickly. Its a bit bloody freakish though. There's questions over whether Paddy Jackson is truly ready as well and while I'd love to see him advanced quickly as we need him (the urgency is dying a bit with iHumph's form mind), I wouldn't quibble in the slightest if he wasn't played this season in the full set-up. He's the closest I see in that list to Hanrahan in terms of experience and position. I don't know how well Hanrahan's built, or how well he's adapted to AIL/A level rugby, so can't comment that closely. But if I was his coach, I would be wary about chucking him in the deep end. And in fairness, some of those 12 opportunities have gone to a young man in Dineen anyway.</p><p></p><p>I'd agree you can - and should - embed a few kids at a time. Leinster are benefitting from that immensely and Ulster's squad next season will be a lot more dangerous for it. But, unless I'm mistaken, Mike Sherry, Scott Deasy and Peter O'Mahony have all had a fair amount of game time this season. Nagle's had a fair bit too (should get a hell of a lot more). And there's a lot of other youngsters who've got games here and there. How many kids do you put in before it becomes too much? I guess to an extent it depends on whether Munster think blooding the next generation or success now (they're topping the Magners after all) is more important. But Nagle had a good game at Ulster - and I think benefitted from having Billy Holland next to him.</p><p></p><p>The problem here is, I think, that Munster are going at a reasonable rate of transition - but need a very quick one. The transition should have started a couple of seasons ago and debatably it did... but to the current range of your Ronans and your Hollands. Who (I'm guessing) people hoped would step up and take the step forwards... and haven't. So now Munster need to start again, the squad's that bit older and suddenly Munster need an almost over night transformation. Which won't happen. And the Niall Ronans and Denis Hurleys of this world will be important players in that as they do have a bit of quality, they've got experience and they're young enough to help guide the youngsters through as the old guard fades.</p><p></p><p>But they should (and here I agree with you Snoopy) step aside a little this season to let the young guys play with the real quality... but only in the right amounts.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Peat, post: 367568, member: 42330"] Ok, you make a fair point that there are definitley scrummaging options out there. Jerry Cronin at Ballynahinch (and now Ulster) hasn't done badly and is a native Munsterman. Depends slightly on what Kidney thinks though doesn't it? If he wants to give Buckley another central contract, how much choice do they have? And while I know Munster have basically gone through a spell of providing Ireland's props, I really don't think the answer for Ireland is to just pass the responsibility to another province. The ideal thing for Munster there (I think) would be to release du Preez, ask Dave Ryan and Darragh Hurley to cover loosehead, and then they'd probably get away with a NIQ tighthead providing Ulster doesn't retain Botha. As for the youth thing... at the end of the day, some players are ready that quickly. Its a bit bloody freakish though. There's questions over whether Paddy Jackson is truly ready as well and while I'd love to see him advanced quickly as we need him (the urgency is dying a bit with iHumph's form mind), I wouldn't quibble in the slightest if he wasn't played this season in the full set-up. He's the closest I see in that list to Hanrahan in terms of experience and position. I don't know how well Hanrahan's built, or how well he's adapted to AIL/A level rugby, so can't comment that closely. But if I was his coach, I would be wary about chucking him in the deep end. And in fairness, some of those 12 opportunities have gone to a young man in Dineen anyway. I'd agree you can - and should - embed a few kids at a time. Leinster are benefitting from that immensely and Ulster's squad next season will be a lot more dangerous for it. But, unless I'm mistaken, Mike Sherry, Scott Deasy and Peter O'Mahony have all had a fair amount of game time this season. Nagle's had a fair bit too (should get a hell of a lot more). And there's a lot of other youngsters who've got games here and there. How many kids do you put in before it becomes too much? I guess to an extent it depends on whether Munster think blooding the next generation or success now (they're topping the Magners after all) is more important. But Nagle had a good game at Ulster - and I think benefitted from having Billy Holland next to him. The problem here is, I think, that Munster are going at a reasonable rate of transition - but need a very quick one. The transition should have started a couple of seasons ago and debatably it did... but to the current range of your Ronans and your Hollands. Who (I'm guessing) people hoped would step up and take the step forwards... and haven't. So now Munster need to start again, the squad's that bit older and suddenly Munster need an almost over night transformation. Which won't happen. And the Niall Ronans and Denis Hurleys of this world will be important players in that as they do have a bit of quality, they've got experience and they're young enough to help guide the youngsters through as the old guard fades. But they should (and here I agree with you Snoopy) step aside a little this season to let the young guys play with the real quality... but only in the right amounts. [/QUOTE]
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