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Gavin

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Yeah no...

They wanted it on the table and they wanted a hard brexit but no deal was never their preference - JRM (despite no longer being part of it) was very clear about that
Eh really?
Rees-Mogg claimed there were economic models that showed “the total positive impact of no deal could be in the region of about £80bn”.


Jacob Rees-Mogg has suggested that the government could use EU law in order to force through a no-deal Brexit by the end of the month.


Dr David Nicholl challenges Rees-Mogg over no-deal Brexit plan


Jacob Rees-Mogg: No-deal Brexit will boost UK economy by £1.1 trillion over 15 years


JACOB REES-MOGG No Deal Brexit is NO big deal — we could have £39bn in our pockets and free-flowing trade


I could go on... But to suggest the ERG and JRM specifically always wanted a deal is laughable.
 

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Eh really?















I could go on... But to suggest the ERG and JRM specifically always wanted a deal is laughable.
None of those articles disprove what I'm saying...

You're concocting a baseless conspiracy theory based on diddly squat
 

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None of those articles disprove what I'm saying...

You're concocting a baseless conspiracy theory based on diddly squat

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Prominent Brexiteer Jacob Rees-Mogg took to Twitter to repeat one of the most overused phrases of the post-referendum era: “No deal is better than a bad deal”.

*The tweet has been subsequently deleted by JRM
 

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*The tweet has been subsequently deleted by JRM
Again... Not "no deal is better than any deal", but specifically better than "a bad deal".

Therefore - a good deal is better than no deal.
 

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Again... Not "no deal is better than any deal", but specifically better than "a bad deal".

Therefore - a good deal is better than no deal.
And quite clearly the deal we have got is not a good deal or the government wouldn't be reneging on it would they? Can you tell me anyone who seriously said what we got is a good deal that wasn't part of the current Tory government?

Can you not see how it's the ultimate cop-out? If they fail to get a deal then they just shrug their shoulders and say no deal is better than a bad deal. If they get a deal of any sort, good or bad, they will just call it a good deal. It's little more than a way for the government to once again avoid admitting they royally ****** up. When has anyone unilaterally decided to ignore the terms of a deal that only months earlier they were saying was a great deal?
 

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And quite clearly the deal we have got is not a good deal or the government wouldn't be reneging on it would they? Can you tell me anyone who seriously said what we got is a good deal that wasn't part of the current Tory government?
Ah yes because the government doesn't like the deal that it negotiated, agreed and pushed.

Makes sense, cheers for clearing that up
 

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Ah yes because the government doesn't like the deal that it negotiated, agreed and pushed.

Makes sense, cheers for clearing that up
So you can't answer why they are now trying to unilaterally renege on it? How about you give that another go?
 

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Ah yes because the government doesn't like the deal that it negotiated, agreed and pushed.
I think we're all scratching our heads on this.
Are you posting that accurate summary in defence of the government's dislike of its own deall
 

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Ministers are preparing to relax post-Brexit plans for border checks on food and other imports from the European Union because of fears that they will further damage trade and could lead to severe shortages in UK supermarkets.

The Observer has been told by multiple industry sources that Boris Johnson’s new Brexit minister, Lord Frost, is considering allowing “lighter touch” controls on imports from 1 April than are currently planned, and scaling back plans for full customs checks, including physical inspections, which are due to begin on 1 July.


The Cabinet Office run by Michael Gove has been officially reprimanded by the UK Statistics Authority for using unpublished and unverifiable data in an attempt to deny that Brexit had caused a massive fall in volumes of trade through British ports.

The criticism follows a story in the Observer on 7 February that cited a survey by the Road Haulage Association (RHA) of its international members showing export volumes had dropped by a staggering 68% in January through British ports and the Channel Tunnel.


Lolz.
 
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Lolz.
It's almost like we agreed a deal at the last minute without reading the fine print and are only just realising how unprepared we were and how difficult it is to actually put all of these process in place.
 

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It's almost like we agreed a deal at the last minute without reading the fine print and are only just realising how unprepared we were and how difficult it is to actually put all of these process in place.
Nonsense! It was an oven ready deal remember? In no way could the current government be accused of grandstanding to cover up their gross incompetence...
 

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And now the Tories have decided that after years of cuts and underfunding due to their austerity measures, what nursing really needs after probably the toughest year in recent NHS history is a 1% pay rise. Talk about a slap in the face after all nurses have been through for the last 10 years and particularly last year!

We already have problems with a shortage of nurses in this country and this is just going to help make things even worse. Let's see how this develops but it's staggering how they could have looked at the last year and determined 1% was fine. Now prepare for the announcement that the "independent" panel will decide MPs deserve a 5% rise.
 

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It's almost like, after a year or paying people's wages, we don't have infinite money!

Madness, didn't see that coming smh
 

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Slashed the foreign aid budget as well. Yemen getting half of what they did in previous years. And Yemen is on its knees. Talk about Compassionate Conservatives.
 

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It's almost like, after a year or paying people's wages, we don't have infinite money!

Madness, didn't see that coming smh
Which might be fair if they weren't throwing around more money than any government ever and that has been the excuse for a decade now. Tories don't have the "magic money tree" when they don't want to pay frontline workers but it pops into existence when they want to pay for other things.

First it was "we are all in this together" as they didn't touch the wages for austerity, whilst increasing their own pay
Then it was "we aren't out of the crisis yet" as they didn't touch the wages for austerity, whilst increasing their own pay
Then it was "we have Brexit uncertainty" as they didn't touch the wages for austerity, whilst increasing their own pay
Now it is "There is a crisis on, we don't have a magic money tree" as they don't touch wages despite throwing money around left, right and centre and will likely increase their own pay. Also reneging on a previous 3 year deal (pretty standard Tory now)

NHS nurses have seen a real terms pay cut of about 15% the last decade and there is ALWAYS an excuse. If there is a genuine concern about the balance of payments, why not increase taxes on those who have heavily profited during the crisis? Just watch the Tories squirm and try to find any reason to not touch the wealth of the ultra wealthy whilst going "oh we have no money".
 
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Which might be fair if they weren't throwing around more money than any government ever and that has been the excuse for a decade now. Tories don't have the "magic money tree" when they don't want to pay frontline workers but it pops into existence when they want to pay for other things.
What's that DUP? You want 1 billion pounds of extra funding for NI in exchange for your votes?

This is an interesting read, I've pulled out a little bit

While the cost to the exchequer of a 10% pay increase would be £3.4bn this year on paper, the report, commissioned by NHS trade unions, found that these wider benefits would take the actual cost down to just £660m.

For a 5% increase, costing an upfront £1.7bn, the ultimate price tag would only be £330m – less than the figure once printed on the side of the Brexit campaign bus, which Boris Johnson claimed could be added to the NHS’s weekly budget if the UK were to leave the EU.
 

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And now the Tories have decided that after years of cuts and underfunding due to their austerity measures, what nursing really needs after probably the toughest year in recent NHS history is a 1% pay rise. Talk about a slap in the face after all nurses have been through for the last 10 years and particularly last year!
Don't forget that they have to pay for their own parking at work now - so that extra £3.50 a week has to go towards an extra cost of £5-10 week for the privilege of working.
 
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Do'nt forget that they have to pay for their wn parking at work now - so that extra £3.50 a week has to go towards an extra cost of £5 week (or whatever it is) in order to get to work.
Forgot about that, yeah the 1% pay rise doesn't even cover the cost of parking for many nurses.
 
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