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Sir David Amess killing was terrorism, police say
The fatal stabbing of Tory MP Sir David Amess has a potential link to Islamist extremism, say detectives.
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Largely similar tbh - makes the angry people more angry, assholes will use it for political gain, but over time the specific reason for the killing will be a footnote to the larger toxicity of the environmentI also don't think the British National of Somali descent, potentially linked to Islamic extremism, if it does turn out to be true, killing a white conservative MP is going to help perceptions in this country either.
How does this play out compared to a "Britain First" supporter Thomas Mair killing Jo Cox?
It's a weird one Jo Cox was murdered during the referendum and whilst not anywhere near a prominent remain voice was on that side of the debate. She was killed for her views by someone of opposing views.I also don't think the British National of Somali descent, potentially linked to Islamic extremism, if it does turn out to be true, killing a white conservative MP is going to help perceptions in this country either.
How does this play out compared to a "Britain First" supporter Thomas Mair killing Jo Cox?
The problem is just about anyone who raises it immediately falls into racist rhetoric. Things like Islam is incomaptable with British values amor kick them all out. Ignoring the vast majority of Muslims who live within UK perfectly happy.as soon as anyone suggests we have an Islamic extremist issue, the accusations of racism come flying thick and fast.
That may be so but the fact remains that it is a problem. We can talk about the growing right wing extremism in the west but we are still a hotbed for Islamic extremism. Ultimately if we are going to have a healthy, functioning democracy we have got to be able to discuss all issues, no matter how uncomfortable or apparently anti-PC they may be. There will always be people who take it too far and then we can get into the discussion about the racism that does still exists too.The problem is just about anyone who raises it immediately falls into racist rhetoric. Things like Islam is incomaptable with British values amor kick them all out. Ignoring the vast majority of Muslims who live within UK perfectly happy.
Makes it a very hard topic to have a sensible discussion about it.
The problem is that the term Islamist extremist associates extremist acts with Islam. Right wing extremist doesn't associate it with a specific group or ideology. 99% of Muslims condemn the acts of extremists and say they are not muslims if they commit these acts. However, just by saying Islamist you include all Muslims in the conversation, when in reality it has nothing to do with them. British people would be outraged if someone suggested that right wing extremists in this country represented all of Britain. Yes there needs to be conversations, but also understanding and this country is too quick to group extremists with ordinary people. It's why young muslim people feel they don't belong and end up being pushed into these groups.That may be so but the fact remains that it is a problem. We can talk about the growing right wing extremism in the west but we are still a hotbed for Islamic extremism. Ultimately if we are going to have a healthy, functioning democracy we have got to be able to discuss all issues, no matter how uncomfortable or apparently anti-PC they may be. There will always be people who take it too far and then we can get into the discussion about the racism that does still exists too.
It's pretty much the only answer that has any chance of working - for any form of extremism, it's up to the less extreme elements of the same community to guide people away from the extremes. Pretty much by definition, the "other" has no hope of preventing radicalisation against themselves; and asking them to is essentially victim blaming.There's talking about Islamic extremism but also what to do and how to we tackle it. Who is it up to? Moderate Muslims to challenge extremism with their communities and online?
Nowhere does talking about Islamic extremism implicate all Muslims, is sort of the whole point of extremism, that it is the stuff that falls outside the norm. Saying right wing extremism doesn't implicate all right wingers, saying Christian extremism doesn't implicate all Christians so saying Islamic extremism doesn't implicate all Muslims.The problem is that the term Islamist extremist associates extremist acts with Islam. Right wing extremist doesn't associate it with a specific group or ideology. 99% of Muslims condemn the acts of extremists and say they are not muslims if they commit these acts. However, just by saying Islamist you include all Muslims in the conversation, when in reality it has nothing to do with them. British people would be outraged if someone suggested that right wing extremists in this country represented all of Britain. Yes there needs to be conversations, but also understanding and this country is too quick to group extremists with ordinary people. It's why young muslim people feel they don't belong and end up being pushed into these groups.
Was speaking to a friend who was supposedly knows someone who knows Carrie (so almost the definition of hearsay this). But apparently she's quite the piece of work and always has been.I like how everyone's framing it as Carrie Johnson breaking the rules....she lives with BoJo, therefore he broke them too
Presumably he'll meet the same fate as Matt Hancock then? No?
As you were then...