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<blockquote data-quote="Not Mike Brown&#039;s Sock" data-source="post: 1022343" data-attributes="member: 72041"><p>To quote the self professed aims of the EU:</p><p></p><p></p><p>"All countries that are part of the European Union work together</p><p>to make sure that:</p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">there is peace in Europe</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">people have good lives</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">things are fair for all people and nobody is left out</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">the languages and cultures of all people<br /> are respected</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">there is a strong European economy<br /> and countries use the same coin<br /> to do business together.</li> </ul><p></p><p>The countries of the European Union</p><p>share some important values.</p><p>For example, they work to make sure that all people are equal</p><p>and their rights are respected."</p><p></p><p></p><p>It's important to note that I'm not saying any of the above are neccesairily bad things, what I am saying is that it is not with the PRIMRARY aim of enabling free trade. In fact, on the EU's "About Us" page, it does not mention trade even once. </p><p></p><p>The EU does, undeniably, facilitate free trade within it's members, but the criticism of it is that that comes at the cost of sovreignty. </p><p></p><p>Arguing this isnt going to get anywhere - what I am trying to get across is why something like the CPTPP has (mostly) been lauded by Brexiteers and those (like me) who backed remain in 2016 but have never been overly in love with the EU.</p><p></p><p>Wild claims like what? The wild claim that "global britain" tagline that suggests the government doesn't want to be the inward looking bogeyman that Remain painted them to be? Or that the Uk wants to join the CPTPP? What wild claim is there to be sceptical about?</p><p></p><p>I would actually be very interested to see if there was a link between public negativity and economic growth, but that's not the point I was making. What I am saying is that it is odd and deeply frustraiting to witness the self professed "outward looking / globalist / pro-free trade" Remain FBPE crew to now be ******** on efforts to become outward looking and cultivate international free trade. It just comes across as pretty insincere imo, more focused on being correct about the doom and gloom of brexit, rather than actually trying to make a success of our economy moving forward - surely something everyone should be able to get on board with?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Not Mike Brown's Sock, post: 1022343, member: 72041"] To quote the self professed aims of the EU: "All countries that are part of the European Union work together to make sure that: [LIST] [*]there is peace in Europe [*]people have good lives [*]things are fair for all people and nobody is left out [*]the languages and cultures of all people are respected [*]there is a strong European economy and countries use the same coin to do business together. [/LIST] The countries of the European Union share some important values. For example, they work to make sure that all people are equal and their rights are respected." It's important to note that I'm not saying any of the above are neccesairily bad things, what I am saying is that it is not with the PRIMRARY aim of enabling free trade. In fact, on the EU's "About Us" page, it does not mention trade even once. The EU does, undeniably, facilitate free trade within it's members, but the criticism of it is that that comes at the cost of sovreignty. Arguing this isnt going to get anywhere - what I am trying to get across is why something like the CPTPP has (mostly) been lauded by Brexiteers and those (like me) who backed remain in 2016 but have never been overly in love with the EU. Wild claims like what? The wild claim that "global britain" tagline that suggests the government doesn't want to be the inward looking bogeyman that Remain painted them to be? Or that the Uk wants to join the CPTPP? What wild claim is there to be sceptical about? I would actually be very interested to see if there was a link between public negativity and economic growth, but that's not the point I was making. What I am saying is that it is odd and deeply frustraiting to witness the self professed "outward looking / globalist / pro-free trade" Remain FBPE crew to now be ******** on efforts to become outward looking and cultivate international free trade. It just comes across as pretty insincere imo, more focused on being correct about the doom and gloom of brexit, rather than actually trying to make a success of our economy moving forward - surely something everyone should be able to get on board with? [/QUOTE]
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