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<blockquote data-quote="Not Mike Brown&#039;s Sock" data-source="post: 1034317" data-attributes="member: 72041"><p>I disagree - </p><p></p><p>Firstly, my point was purely on the police being systemically racist, not the entire country. </p><p></p><p>Secondly, I think we disagree on the definition itself - imo, in regards to actually producing helpful policy, it is deeply damaging to conflate systemic racism in the sense of systems designed intentional to subjugate or discriminate against a particular race people with those systems which produce inequal outcome. They are both issues, but need to be combatted differently. Again, it may be easier and look nicer to just lump them all in together, but they're very different problems and require very different solutions. </p><p></p><p>This is actually a really interesting one - it seems to have essentially skyrocketed from the 70s onwards, with various opinions as to why. </p><p></p><p>There is an argument that broadly, it is a result of the welfare system essentially removing the financial neccesity to be married, and that this has a disproportionate impact on impoverished communities, which would have especially impacted black communities at the time.</p><p></p><p>Another argument is that because of low black male employment, this led to less suitible candidates for marraige and thus more out of wedlock births.</p><p></p><p>Both of those factors combined wouldn't have enough of an impact to explain what we've seen today tho.</p><p></p><p>More likely, it is linked to Roe v Wade, the end of shotgun marraiges and general access to contraception in impoverished communities (though rates of black u16s who had a sexual expeirience were way higher than that of white u16s regardless). As it became more socially acceptable to have a child out of wedlock essentially due to a revolution in terms of sexual acceptance, single motherhood skyrocketed with it. </p><p></p><p>All in all, a few different issues, with no one policy you can really pinpoint.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Overall, I doubt we are that far off in our understanding of what the issues are and where, but where we vary is our definition of what systemic racism is / should be characterised as and thus our approach to fixing the problems.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Not Mike Brown's Sock, post: 1034317, member: 72041"] I disagree - Firstly, my point was purely on the police being systemically racist, not the entire country. Secondly, I think we disagree on the definition itself - imo, in regards to actually producing helpful policy, it is deeply damaging to conflate systemic racism in the sense of systems designed intentional to subjugate or discriminate against a particular race people with those systems which produce inequal outcome. They are both issues, but need to be combatted differently. Again, it may be easier and look nicer to just lump them all in together, but they're very different problems and require very different solutions. This is actually a really interesting one - it seems to have essentially skyrocketed from the 70s onwards, with various opinions as to why. There is an argument that broadly, it is a result of the welfare system essentially removing the financial neccesity to be married, and that this has a disproportionate impact on impoverished communities, which would have especially impacted black communities at the time. Another argument is that because of low black male employment, this led to less suitible candidates for marraige and thus more out of wedlock births. Both of those factors combined wouldn't have enough of an impact to explain what we've seen today tho. More likely, it is linked to Roe v Wade, the end of shotgun marraiges and general access to contraception in impoverished communities (though rates of black u16s who had a sexual expeirience were way higher than that of white u16s regardless). As it became more socially acceptable to have a child out of wedlock essentially due to a revolution in terms of sexual acceptance, single motherhood skyrocketed with it. All in all, a few different issues, with no one policy you can really pinpoint. Overall, I doubt we are that far off in our understanding of what the issues are and where, but where we vary is our definition of what systemic racism is / should be characterised as and thus our approach to fixing the problems. [/QUOTE]
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