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<blockquote data-quote="Reiser99" data-source="post: 1034331" data-attributes="member: 72977"><p>[USER=72041]@noah_jo[/USER] I will agree that socio-economic issues are also a major factor and many issues can be linked to poverty and lack of opportunity. Certainly America and Britain as well as other countries need to approach systemic racism as a national issue that pervades almost every aspect of society, rather than individual organisations. I'm currently reading 'Why I'm no longer talking to white people about race' by Reni Eddo-Lodge and it really is helping me understand what systemic racism looks like. One of the main points is that being born white still gives you a huge advantage over people who are not born white. The media narrative in films, books etc...still predominantly shows white people (often white Americans) as an example of what normal is. White culture and ideals are still mainly considered the norm in how people should act and behave. Having a white sounding name gives you more opportunities when applying for jobs. Anyway I have some issues with your responses.</p><p></p><p></p><p>There is still structural/systemic racism here. Yes America has an issue with guns, but police are more likely to draw a taser/weapon on black people compared with white people. Already the officers will unconsciously be on the defensive not because of the situation, but because of the colour of his skin. This makes chances of shooting more likely for black people, which is a product of systemic racism. How this view of black suspects has been allowed to develop is related to other wider issues such as socio-economic problems, but the fact that police will approach a situation differently because of the colour of someone's skin is racist. This is also linked to the abysmal amount of training police receive in America. </p><p></p><p></p><p>You use of stats here is flawed. Yes less black people were shot, but black people make up only 13% of the national population compared with 76% who are white (US Census data 2019). I'm not sure how many fatal shootings there were overall from the data you are using, but 9 people compared with 19 is likely to be far higher proportionally when you account for the total population numbers. Further just quickly researching, studies show that unarmed black people are 3 times more likely to be fatally shot than white people. <a href="https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/fatal-police-shootings-of-unarmed-black-people-in-us-more-than-3-times-as-high-as-in-whites/" target="_blank">https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/fatal-police-shootings-of-unarmed-black-people-in-us-more-than-3-times-as-high-as-in-whites/</a></p><p></p><p>Now as for competence well it's already widely acknowledged that American police officers are not as well trained as officers in other countries. However, first of all the tasers in question is designed to be different from a gun to avoid these mistakes (<a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56729673" target="_blank">https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56729673</a> check the bbc reality check). Second she had been an officer for 26 years and had also served on the negotiation team. I'm not saying definitely isn't a genuine mistake. However, systemic racism means that those officers were more likely to approach the situation assuming it could turn violent and so were more likely to draw weapons at any slight hint of danger. On top Daunte Wright would have been more scared for his life as he will know first hand what can happen to black suspects in this case. I'm not saying he hadn't committed a crime or the warrant wasn't justified, but the whole situation would have been more volatile because of how the police perceived the suspect and how the suspect perceived the police which is a direct result of systemic racism in America and the police.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Reiser99, post: 1034331, member: 72977"] [USER=72041]@noah_jo[/USER] I will agree that socio-economic issues are also a major factor and many issues can be linked to poverty and lack of opportunity. Certainly America and Britain as well as other countries need to approach systemic racism as a national issue that pervades almost every aspect of society, rather than individual organisations. I'm currently reading 'Why I'm no longer talking to white people about race' by Reni Eddo-Lodge and it really is helping me understand what systemic racism looks like. One of the main points is that being born white still gives you a huge advantage over people who are not born white. The media narrative in films, books etc...still predominantly shows white people (often white Americans) as an example of what normal is. White culture and ideals are still mainly considered the norm in how people should act and behave. Having a white sounding name gives you more opportunities when applying for jobs. Anyway I have some issues with your responses. There is still structural/systemic racism here. Yes America has an issue with guns, but police are more likely to draw a taser/weapon on black people compared with white people. Already the officers will unconsciously be on the defensive not because of the situation, but because of the colour of his skin. This makes chances of shooting more likely for black people, which is a product of systemic racism. How this view of black suspects has been allowed to develop is related to other wider issues such as socio-economic problems, but the fact that police will approach a situation differently because of the colour of someone's skin is racist. This is also linked to the abysmal amount of training police receive in America. You use of stats here is flawed. Yes less black people were shot, but black people make up only 13% of the national population compared with 76% who are white (US Census data 2019). I'm not sure how many fatal shootings there were overall from the data you are using, but 9 people compared with 19 is likely to be far higher proportionally when you account for the total population numbers. Further just quickly researching, studies show that unarmed black people are 3 times more likely to be fatally shot than white people. [URL]https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/fatal-police-shootings-of-unarmed-black-people-in-us-more-than-3-times-as-high-as-in-whites/[/URL] Now as for competence well it's already widely acknowledged that American police officers are not as well trained as officers in other countries. However, first of all the tasers in question is designed to be different from a gun to avoid these mistakes ([URL]https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56729673[/URL] check the bbc reality check). Second she had been an officer for 26 years and had also served on the negotiation team. I'm not saying definitely isn't a genuine mistake. However, systemic racism means that those officers were more likely to approach the situation assuming it could turn violent and so were more likely to draw weapons at any slight hint of danger. On top Daunte Wright would have been more scared for his life as he will know first hand what can happen to black suspects in this case. I'm not saying he hadn't committed a crime or the warrant wasn't justified, but the whole situation would have been more volatile because of how the police perceived the suspect and how the suspect perceived the police which is a direct result of systemic racism in America and the police. [/QUOTE]
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