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<blockquote data-quote="Not Mike Brown&#039;s Sock" data-source="post: 1038970" data-attributes="member: 72041"><p>Oh that's absolutely reasonable, and both sides are undeniably guilty of some horrendous things, but I struggle with the idea that there is a moral equivalence here. I would also dispute whether this current situation is really of Israel's design but it's 6 of one half a dozen of the other really.</p><p></p><p>The casualty numbers are an interesting / horrible moral dilemma to have and I'm not 100% sure where I stand. Israel does go to respectable effort to minimise civilian casualties, especially when Hamas are using those civilians as human shields but don't have a perfect record. I also don't know whether the casualty numbers are a great way to judge the situation - just because you are **** at war / losing doesn't make you any less despicable and make the other guy iygm thoughts. As long as Hamas continues to use those civilian sites (they've used hospitals and schools in the past as well) then there will be inflated civilians casualties - of course, that doesn't excuse them, but it makes it much much harder to negotiate around.</p><p></p><p>I don't know how you bring it to a close, and there's a part of me that thinks it probably never will be. It's a catch 22, if Hamas etc lay down their weapons, you will probably see continued, but slow amalgamation of Palestinian territories into Israel, but the people that live there will probably be fine and it would likely be peaceful. If Israel lay down their weapons, they're wiped off of the map almost instantly by all the countries and governments around them who are (many/most) constitutionally mandated to work for their "ultimate destruction" and the deaths of all their citizens. I don't know what you do - and to be fair the best minds internationally have been trying to work it out for a century!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Not Mike Brown's Sock, post: 1038970, member: 72041"] Oh that's absolutely reasonable, and both sides are undeniably guilty of some horrendous things, but I struggle with the idea that there is a moral equivalence here. I would also dispute whether this current situation is really of Israel's design but it's 6 of one half a dozen of the other really. The casualty numbers are an interesting / horrible moral dilemma to have and I'm not 100% sure where I stand. Israel does go to respectable effort to minimise civilian casualties, especially when Hamas are using those civilians as human shields but don't have a perfect record. I also don't know whether the casualty numbers are a great way to judge the situation - just because you are **** at war / losing doesn't make you any less despicable and make the other guy iygm thoughts. As long as Hamas continues to use those civilian sites (they've used hospitals and schools in the past as well) then there will be inflated civilians casualties - of course, that doesn't excuse them, but it makes it much much harder to negotiate around. I don't know how you bring it to a close, and there's a part of me that thinks it probably never will be. It's a catch 22, if Hamas etc lay down their weapons, you will probably see continued, but slow amalgamation of Palestinian territories into Israel, but the people that live there will probably be fine and it would likely be peaceful. If Israel lay down their weapons, they're wiped off of the map almost instantly by all the countries and governments around them who are (many/most) constitutionally mandated to work for their "ultimate destruction" and the deaths of all their citizens. I don't know what you do - and to be fair the best minds internationally have been trying to work it out for a century! [/QUOTE]
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