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<blockquote data-quote="Leonormous Boozer" data-source="post: 1048105" data-attributes="member: 45598"><p>Do you not think people not getting behind the gesture is indicative of the problem? They can't back down on taking the knee now. It's been established, it's making a lot of the oppressors uncomfortable/angry. Change isn't achieved by making a compromise just for the purpose of opening a dialogue, the dialogue comes first.</p><p></p><p>What the disagreement over/refusal to taking the knee shows is that racists, whether they're open racists or hide behind excuses to be against it, aren't ready to change or open to the idea of changing. Stopping now isn't going to get anyone a "seat at the table" to enter into constructive discussions, it's just going to brush it all under the rug again.</p><p></p><p>Taking the knee is still new, one year-old in Europe. It took me quite a while to understand it, I'm fairly sure there's a post on these boards from last year where I say I don't think I'd be comfortable taking it, I'm not racist in the slightest and I absolutely would be now. In the past week we've seen the most high profile case of why it's needed in England, you should see a lot of the "keep politics out of sport" types change their tune as long as they're not thick as pig **** once they've seen what their heroes are exposed to.</p><p></p><p>I really don't understand the criticism of gesture and identity politics when it comes to inequality, Patel's comments sounded very much like telling Mings et al to get back in their box and obey the status quo and we'll reward you. In reality if someone that high in government is criticising footballers they're on the ropes and but still desperate to resist change. Ultimately when you're an oppressed minority there's very little leverage you have to enforce change, if you're doing something that is making people uncomfortable and angry, while not causing harm and while showing your discontent you're doing something right. Giving it up to start campaigns and open a dialogue is wishful thinking when campaigns and dialogue aren't being offered.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Leonormous Boozer, post: 1048105, member: 45598"] Do you not think people not getting behind the gesture is indicative of the problem? They can't back down on taking the knee now. It's been established, it's making a lot of the oppressors uncomfortable/angry. Change isn't achieved by making a compromise just for the purpose of opening a dialogue, the dialogue comes first. What the disagreement over/refusal to taking the knee shows is that racists, whether they're open racists or hide behind excuses to be against it, aren't ready to change or open to the idea of changing. Stopping now isn't going to get anyone a "seat at the table" to enter into constructive discussions, it's just going to brush it all under the rug again. Taking the knee is still new, one year-old in Europe. It took me quite a while to understand it, I'm fairly sure there's a post on these boards from last year where I say I don't think I'd be comfortable taking it, I'm not racist in the slightest and I absolutely would be now. In the past week we've seen the most high profile case of why it's needed in England, you should see a lot of the "keep politics out of sport" types change their tune as long as they're not thick as pig **** once they've seen what their heroes are exposed to. I really don't understand the criticism of gesture and identity politics when it comes to inequality, Patel's comments sounded very much like telling Mings et al to get back in their box and obey the status quo and we'll reward you. In reality if someone that high in government is criticising footballers they're on the ropes and but still desperate to resist change. Ultimately when you're an oppressed minority there's very little leverage you have to enforce change, if you're doing something that is making people uncomfortable and angry, while not causing harm and while showing your discontent you're doing something right. Giving it up to start campaigns and open a dialogue is wishful thinking when campaigns and dialogue aren't being offered. [/QUOTE]
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