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<blockquote data-quote="Which Tyler" data-source="post: 1058417" data-attributes="member: 73592"><p>It's pretty much the only answer that has any chance of working - for any form of extremism, it's up to the less extreme elements of the same community to guide people away from the extremes. Pretty much by definition, the "other" has no hope of preventing radicalisation against themselves; and asking them to is essentially victim blaming.</p><p></p><p>It's up to moderate Muslims to prevent the radicalisation of Muslims. Equally, it's up to Christians to police themselves against their more radical cults like Jehovas or Westboro Baptists (though neither have a particular history of attacks against others - just demonisation).</p><p>It's up to White folk to combat racism by whites against non-whites.</p><p>It's up to heterosexuals to identify and combat homophobia.</p><p>It's up to men to identify and combat misogyny.</p><p>It's up to the political right to provide education and guidance away from the proud boys and neo-nazis.</p><p>It's up to the cops to provide context and perspective on Blue Lives Matter or the anti-public radicalisation seen recently in the Met, or as common in US PDs.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The thorny issue, is "How", and the moderates really don't want to take responsibility for their less moderate "Us"s (How many of the menfolk here immediately and instinctively agree that it's up to men to tackle misogyny - it's not all men after all, and surely locker-room bater is fine. Do we really have to call out our friends for their language and jokes in a rugby team Whatsapp group? what's the world coming to? PC gone mad I tells you).</p><p>Women, on the other hand, only get the opportunity to address it once it's too late - the abuse has already happened, the Incel rabbit hole has been delved too deeply, the mysoginist is already feeling vindicated and vindictive, and feels openly able to molest someone on the train, and/or dismiss someone's opinion based on their gender.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There's a time and a place for the victim demographics to put their stories, and pleas for help - but by the time they are able to identify troublesome behaviour in individuals of the perpetrator group - it's too late.</p><p></p><p>Look at the vaccine "debate".</p><p>Who's in a better position to identify an anti-vaxxer before they start stabbing pharmacists? Someone in their own social media bubble? Or someone who first hears about them after the stabbing has taken place?</p><p>Who's voice are they more likely to listen to, and put a value on? A vaccine researcher? Or a less-rabid anti-vaxxer?</p><p>Who's in a better place to talk that person away from the brink? a "Them"? or an "Us"?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Which Tyler, post: 1058417, member: 73592"] It's pretty much the only answer that has any chance of working - for any form of extremism, it's up to the less extreme elements of the same community to guide people away from the extremes. Pretty much by definition, the "other" has no hope of preventing radicalisation against themselves; and asking them to is essentially victim blaming. It's up to moderate Muslims to prevent the radicalisation of Muslims. Equally, it's up to Christians to police themselves against their more radical cults like Jehovas or Westboro Baptists (though neither have a particular history of attacks against others - just demonisation). It's up to White folk to combat racism by whites against non-whites. It's up to heterosexuals to identify and combat homophobia. It's up to men to identify and combat misogyny. It's up to the political right to provide education and guidance away from the proud boys and neo-nazis. It's up to the cops to provide context and perspective on Blue Lives Matter or the anti-public radicalisation seen recently in the Met, or as common in US PDs. The thorny issue, is "How", and the moderates really don't want to take responsibility for their less moderate "Us"s (How many of the menfolk here immediately and instinctively agree that it's up to men to tackle misogyny - it's not all men after all, and surely locker-room bater is fine. Do we really have to call out our friends for their language and jokes in a rugby team Whatsapp group? what's the world coming to? PC gone mad I tells you). Women, on the other hand, only get the opportunity to address it once it's too late - the abuse has already happened, the Incel rabbit hole has been delved too deeply, the mysoginist is already feeling vindicated and vindictive, and feels openly able to molest someone on the train, and/or dismiss someone's opinion based on their gender. There's a time and a place for the victim demographics to put their stories, and pleas for help - but by the time they are able to identify troublesome behaviour in individuals of the perpetrator group - it's too late. Look at the vaccine "debate". Who's in a better position to identify an anti-vaxxer before they start stabbing pharmacists? Someone in their own social media bubble? Or someone who first hears about them after the stabbing has taken place? Who's voice are they more likely to listen to, and put a value on? A vaccine researcher? Or a less-rabid anti-vaxxer? Who's in a better place to talk that person away from the brink? a "Them"? or an "Us"? [/QUOTE]
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