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<blockquote data-quote="ncurd" data-source="post: 1097533" data-attributes="member: 72205"><p>I've snipped most, I think Blair had good intentions with the wrong solutions. It was essentially about genuine levelling up making sure those from certain backgrounds were actually afforded the opportunity for further education. Rather than being one of the few like my father from underprivileged backgrounds who saw the opportunity of University (or Polytechnic which he went to) and a degree. It became a path that one could aim towards.</p><p></p><p>The problem as you mentioned the renaming of Polytechnics and other vocational routes made them get left behind in terms of aspiration. I've lost track of the amount of renaming of NVQ's I'm looking at this table and it makes the head hurt.</p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Vocational_Qualification#Approximate_academic_equivalents[/URL]</p><p></p><p>So an employers goes, I want the equivalent of an undergraduate degree they only look at people with Bachelor's and have no clue what else constitutes RQF/FHEQ level 6 is. Nobody does without looking up.</p><p>Giving some a BSc (SW) would make far more sense.</p><p></p><p>I do think vocational learning is back on the rise many graduates I know of now are or were degree apprentices. Which is great I think the blend of formal and vocational training is best for highly specialised skilled roles.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>More worryingly though is he trend of requiring 'useful' degree leading to University's dropping of arts courses. Rather than employers looking for people with analytical aptitude (which is what a degree shows in non-specialised complex roles) they want someone from STEM for no good reason.</p><p></p><p>I think the floodgates have opened on this and there is no turning back we wanted a highly-skilled educated labour force and got one. The jobs for them just didn't exist (this isn't entirely true go do a Software/Electronics Engineering degree there are **** tons of jobs) this has lead to the vicious cycle of needing a degree even for jobs that don't require showing that aptitude thus pushing down those who chose not to go and a lack of genuine opportunity for those without specialised skills.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ncurd, post: 1097533, member: 72205"] I've snipped most, I think Blair had good intentions with the wrong solutions. It was essentially about genuine levelling up making sure those from certain backgrounds were actually afforded the opportunity for further education. Rather than being one of the few like my father from underprivileged backgrounds who saw the opportunity of University (or Polytechnic which he went to) and a degree. It became a path that one could aim towards. The problem as you mentioned the renaming of Polytechnics and other vocational routes made them get left behind in terms of aspiration. I've lost track of the amount of renaming of NVQ's I'm looking at this table and it makes the head hurt. [URL unfurl="true"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Vocational_Qualification#Approximate_academic_equivalents[/URL] So an employers goes, I want the equivalent of an undergraduate degree they only look at people with Bachelor's and have no clue what else constitutes RQF/FHEQ level 6 is. Nobody does without looking up. Giving some a BSc (SW) would make far more sense. I do think vocational learning is back on the rise many graduates I know of now are or were degree apprentices. Which is great I think the blend of formal and vocational training is best for highly specialised skilled roles. More worryingly though is he trend of requiring 'useful' degree leading to University's dropping of arts courses. Rather than employers looking for people with analytical aptitude (which is what a degree shows in non-specialised complex roles) they want someone from STEM for no good reason. I think the floodgates have opened on this and there is no turning back we wanted a highly-skilled educated labour force and got one. The jobs for them just didn't exist (this isn't entirely true go do a Software/Electronics Engineering degree there are **** tons of jobs) this has lead to the vicious cycle of needing a degree even for jobs that don't require showing that aptitude thus pushing down those who chose not to go and a lack of genuine opportunity for those without specialised skills. [/QUOTE]
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