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<blockquote data-quote="Bada-Bing!" data-source="post: 1111102" data-attributes="member: 70552"><p>I understand what you are getting at - multiculturalism within the context of British culture and values but not to the extent extremists reject those values and try and impose theirs on Britain. </p><p></p><p>My dad has pro China views and he's been here since the 1970s. I disagree with him vehemently on it. But he poses zero threat to the cultural fabric of English society. </p><p></p><p>You give the example of Muslims not eating pork and objecting to if some may wish to ban it for everyone? But based on what? How long have Jews been part of British society? And they don't eat pork and there is no hint they wish to ban it for everyone. </p><p></p><p>On hot bed of Islamic extremism. I do think that moderate Muslims really do need to take a leading part in this and routing the extremist views within the Muslim community. I would also say that the enacting of Sharia law is again a fear played on by the likes of BNP and UKIP. There may, however, be use of elements Sharia Law within the Muslim community - but how do you police that and force that within British law if those enforcing it and being subject to it, for fear of personal reprisals? That has to be moderate Muslims changing the more extreme elements within their community. </p><p></p><p>I just think the issue of extreme views of immigrants adversely affect British culture and imposing their views/laws is overblown and that that is the line most would draw the line at. It is what the likes of Farage playing on to the "don't change our English identity." Part of why Brexit succeeded by playing on the fears Turkey would join. </p><p></p><p>But Part and parcel of diversity is that minority within ethnic groups do not want to be part of English / British culture; they do not want to learn English - they are just here for the work/bring up family, stay within their community and then will choose to retire back to their original homeland. Countless HK Chinese who have been part of the takeaway trade have done this. But as long as they obey and follow the laws of the land they live in, it is in my view acceptable. But equally there are those who want to stay and remain a lawful part of society. </p><p></p><p>Farage is arguing but manipulating the census results on technical points but it is his rhetoric underlying it to stir things up which is objectionable to me. It's an indirect form racism all the same. Although he's not specifically saying it It is his push back against diversity and protection of the English and ergo English ethnic identity. </p><p></p><p>Had he just said " look our white English identity is being threatened here by too many people of colour outbreeding us and coming over and sooner or later we will be outnumbered - we have to do something about it." There would be riots and it would be equivalent of the Powell's "Rivers of blood" speech. Winning Brexit has put Farage on a pedestal.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bada-Bing!, post: 1111102, member: 70552"] I understand what you are getting at - multiculturalism within the context of British culture and values but not to the extent extremists reject those values and try and impose theirs on Britain. My dad has pro China views and he’s been here since the 1970s. I disagree with him vehemently on it. But he poses zero threat to the cultural fabric of English society. You give the example of Muslims not eating pork and objecting to if some may wish to ban it for everyone? But based on what? How long have Jews been part of British society? And they don’t eat pork and there is no hint they wish to ban it for everyone. On hot bed of Islamic extremism. I do think that moderate Muslims really do need to take a leading part in this and routing the extremist views within the Muslim community. I would also say that the enacting of Sharia law is again a fear played on by the likes of BNP and UKIP. There may, however, be use of elements Sharia Law within the Muslim community - but how do you police that and force that within British law if those enforcing it and being subject to it, for fear of personal reprisals? That has to be moderate Muslims changing the more extreme elements within their community. I just think the issue of extreme views of immigrants adversely affect British culture and imposing their views/laws is overblown and that that is the line most would draw the line at. It is what the likes of Farage playing on to the “don’t change our English identity.” Part of why Brexit succeeded by playing on the fears Turkey would join. But Part and parcel of diversity is that minority within ethnic groups do not want to be part of English / British culture; they do not want to learn English - they are just here for the work/bring up family, stay within their community and then will choose to retire back to their original homeland. Countless HK Chinese who have been part of the takeaway trade have done this. But as long as they obey and follow the laws of the land they live in, it is in my view acceptable. But equally there are those who want to stay and remain a lawful part of society. Farage is arguing but manipulating the census results on technical points but it is his rhetoric underlying it to stir things up which is objectionable to me. It’s an indirect form racism all the same. Although he’s not specifically saying it It is his push back against diversity and protection of the English and ergo English ethnic identity. Had he just said “ look our white English identity is being threatened here by too many people of colour outbreeding us and coming over and sooner or later we will be outnumbered - we have to do something about it.” There would be riots and it would be equivalent of the Powell’s “Rivers of blood” speech. Winning Brexit has put Farage on a pedestal. [/QUOTE]
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