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<blockquote data-quote="Jayatron" data-source="post: 762008" data-attributes="member: 37607"><p>I personally feel you're thinking about this wrong. I have played in Northern Ireland, Wales and New Zealand and it is simple as three things.</p><p></p><p>1. Structure </p><p>2. Intergeneration</p><p>3. Philosophy </p><p></p><p>One and two - The SH season is structured much better than the NH. When I played AIB we had a few Ulster boys who were not making the team so would come down to our lower level, which helped us but not them. In Wales, we loose all our best players to Premiership sides or teams that pay and that helps no one, just those at the top who are then also picked off by the regions, very little intergeneration. However, when I played in New Zealand, at the end of season we had Super Rugby players, who didn't make the ABs, come down and play rugby. Great for us again. However, when the club season ends in the SH then things like the ITM, NRC and the Currie Cup start. This structure allows for the development of young players while also allowing a healthy competition for domestic players while also keeping them fit in case they need called up and ultimately it is a breeding ground for young talented players. </p><p>With this there is the overall SH season. Club rugby which is twinned with SR over the top. Club rugby playoffs SR come back then leads straight into the ITM which is played as the same time of the RC followed up by the end of year tours. For internationals a good long time together then come up north to hammer us, they just keep the ball rolling better than us.</p><p>We have, club rugby, a bit of europe, back to club for Internationals, then back to Europe and then club and then Europe then time for some 6 nations, before going back to some more club and Europe before finishing that all off with end of years tests down under against teams who have had their summer off.</p><p></p><p>And then three. I remember walking home from work and seeing some big Kiwi out with his son showing him how to drop kick, boy must have 3 or 4. Showing him how to drop kick, not kick but drop kick. He wasn't very good obviously but that is what I mean by Philosophy, the SH have a better approach to the game because they teach skills and really good skills and have a great mind set when it comes to rugby. I am teacher and I won 5 trophies last year and just coaching our boys to run at the inside shoulder is just impossible. Do it training but then in a match they just smash it up because is that what their club has taught. With that we have boys as young as Y8 in the gym. When we toured NI last year we discussed how they do not allow their boys in the gym until 16 and at that it is for mostly core. In Wales most of our district boys are given weight programmes by the time they are 15 or 16. There is focus on skills or development, just size.</p><p></p><p>I could go on and give lots of examples on other things like club vs school rugby, weight class rugby, the drop in playing numbers, the need for professionalism in developing countries and cross boarder competition but ultimately the reason there is no NH teams in the SFs is because of these 3 factors. We don't need to reform things to smaller elite competitions, actually the opposite we should look to expand professionalism, we need to work on these things and the resulting factors would be higher quality games with higher quality skills played by players who are not over tired and who have been bred on strong basic skills and not weights.</p><p></p><p><span style="color: silver"><span style="font-size: 9px">- - - Updated - - -</span></span></p><p></p><p>Excuse spelling and other mistakes. Tired and all that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jayatron, post: 762008, member: 37607"] I personally feel you're thinking about this wrong. I have played in Northern Ireland, Wales and New Zealand and it is simple as three things. 1. Structure 2. Intergeneration 3. Philosophy One and two - The SH season is structured much better than the NH. When I played AIB we had a few Ulster boys who were not making the team so would come down to our lower level, which helped us but not them. In Wales, we loose all our best players to Premiership sides or teams that pay and that helps no one, just those at the top who are then also picked off by the regions, very little intergeneration. However, when I played in New Zealand, at the end of season we had Super Rugby players, who didn't make the ABs, come down and play rugby. Great for us again. However, when the club season ends in the SH then things like the ITM, NRC and the Currie Cup start. This structure allows for the development of young players while also allowing a healthy competition for domestic players while also keeping them fit in case they need called up and ultimately it is a breeding ground for young talented players. With this there is the overall SH season. Club rugby which is twinned with SR over the top. Club rugby playoffs SR come back then leads straight into the ITM which is played as the same time of the RC followed up by the end of year tours. For internationals a good long time together then come up north to hammer us, they just keep the ball rolling better than us. We have, club rugby, a bit of europe, back to club for Internationals, then back to Europe and then club and then Europe then time for some 6 nations, before going back to some more club and Europe before finishing that all off with end of years tests down under against teams who have had their summer off. And then three. I remember walking home from work and seeing some big Kiwi out with his son showing him how to drop kick, boy must have 3 or 4. Showing him how to drop kick, not kick but drop kick. He wasn't very good obviously but that is what I mean by Philosophy, the SH have a better approach to the game because they teach skills and really good skills and have a great mind set when it comes to rugby. I am teacher and I won 5 trophies last year and just coaching our boys to run at the inside shoulder is just impossible. Do it training but then in a match they just smash it up because is that what their club has taught. With that we have boys as young as Y8 in the gym. When we toured NI last year we discussed how they do not allow their boys in the gym until 16 and at that it is for mostly core. In Wales most of our district boys are given weight programmes by the time they are 15 or 16. There is focus on skills or development, just size. I could go on and give lots of examples on other things like club vs school rugby, weight class rugby, the drop in playing numbers, the need for professionalism in developing countries and cross boarder competition but ultimately the reason there is no NH teams in the SFs is because of these 3 factors. We don't need to reform things to smaller elite competitions, actually the opposite we should look to expand professionalism, we need to work on these things and the resulting factors would be higher quality games with higher quality skills played by players who are not over tired and who have been bred on strong basic skills and not weights. [COLOR="silver"][SIZE=1]- - - Updated - - -[/SIZE][/COLOR] Excuse spelling and other mistakes. Tired and all that. [/QUOTE]
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