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Rugby World Cup 2007
After watching the final...I think we need a change
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<blockquote data-quote="scuubasteve" data-source="post: 156955"><p>Maybe we're looking at things the wrong way here guys.</p><p></p><p>Why not look at the problem for what it is.</p><p></p><p>The thing that is really hindering running rugby, and simultaneously increasing the amount teams kick, is the speed of ruck ball.</p><p></p><p>As others have said, slowing down phase ball is an art in its own. England were awesome at it in the period building up to their crown in 03. NZ took over as world leaders in this skill thereafter. I'll admit that the better you are at slowing opposition phase ball, the better your defense is. Heck, France did it against the AB's in the quarter final.</p><p></p><p>So, aren't we looking at things the wrong way?</p><p></p><p>Instead of trying to force the attacking team to use the crappy slow phase ball differently, why aren't we stopping defences from deliberately stopping flowing/running rugby?</p><p></p><p>The new laws push the defenders back 5metres, but only at scrum time. If you're trying to get quick ball and make easy yardage, what do you do? You put it out one phase and crash it straight up to claim as much of that 10m of no-mans land as you can. Remind you of anything??? Rugby f#@king League!!</p><p></p><p>So I think that rule is a bad one for starters. Secondly, has anyone watched the horrible "Aerial Ping-pong" in the ARC this year? If you can't pass back into your 22, what do you do?</p><p></p><p>You put the ball back down the field as an up-and-under! The reason for this is that there is now an offside line at the tackle, not just the ruck. So everyone has to get back behind the guy who runs the ball up. So teams now appear to just kick the ball backwards and forwards up the centre of the field and try to force the turnover.</p><p></p><p>There are also far less penalty's now. So there should be far less kicks at goal, and more quick taps. But then this just encourages teams to slow phase ball down even more.</p><p></p><p>What I'm getting at, and what all this is leading up to, is that I think some of these new rules will be exploited in exactly the same way as the current rules have been. It will take teams a little while, but eventually the game will go back to basic percentages as one team (usually NZ) figure out ways to make the most of rules, and then everyone will pick it up.</p><p></p><p>I think if we really want to make rugby faster and with more running then we need to seriously discourage the tackler from not releasing the ball carrier and to make the tackler roll away from the ruck.</p><p></p><p>My solution is simple. Introduce a shortened penalty card system.</p><p></p><p>This would be similar to Ice Hockey's penalty box/powerplay.</p><p>Allow refs to give out 5minute cards (green or orange coloured, maybe). If players slow ruck ball and infringe, then you're off for 5mins. Its not as bigger call to make as a yellow card for refs, and players wouldn't need 4-5 of the same warning to justify being sent off. With the current yellow being 10mins, its quite a big call to make on the refs behalf.</p><p></p><p>Instead a 5minute loss of a player is not too serious, but still gives the attacking team a decent advantage. Teams could also very well lose a couple of players if they persist with negative tactics at the tackle area.</p><p></p><p>As for offsides, if the IRB implement the new law, where the Touch Judge (who is soon to be named the Flag Judge, I think) monitors the defensive lines, then teams should soon be caught for constant offsides.</p><p></p><p>If we can stop these negative tactics then it should make the game more conducive to attacking rugby, which will then decrease the dependency on kicking. Problem solved!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="scuubasteve, post: 156955"] Maybe we're looking at things the wrong way here guys. Why not look at the problem for what it is. The thing that is really hindering running rugby, and simultaneously increasing the amount teams kick, is the speed of ruck ball. As others have said, slowing down phase ball is an art in its own. England were awesome at it in the period building up to their crown in 03. NZ took over as world leaders in this skill thereafter. I'll admit that the better you are at slowing opposition phase ball, the better your defense is. Heck, France did it against the AB's in the quarter final. So, aren't we looking at things the wrong way? Instead of trying to force the attacking team to use the crappy slow phase ball differently, why aren't we stopping defences from deliberately stopping flowing/running rugby? The new laws push the defenders back 5metres, but only at scrum time. If you're trying to get quick ball and make easy yardage, what do you do? You put it out one phase and crash it straight up to claim as much of that 10m of no-mans land as you can. Remind you of anything??? Rugby f#@king League!! So I think that rule is a bad one for starters. Secondly, has anyone watched the horrible "Aerial Ping-pong" in the ARC this year? If you can't pass back into your 22, what do you do? You put the ball back down the field as an up-and-under! The reason for this is that there is now an offside line at the tackle, not just the ruck. So everyone has to get back behind the guy who runs the ball up. So teams now appear to just kick the ball backwards and forwards up the centre of the field and try to force the turnover. There are also far less penalty's now. So there should be far less kicks at goal, and more quick taps. But then this just encourages teams to slow phase ball down even more. What I'm getting at, and what all this is leading up to, is that I think some of these new rules will be exploited in exactly the same way as the current rules have been. It will take teams a little while, but eventually the game will go back to basic percentages as one team (usually NZ) figure out ways to make the most of rules, and then everyone will pick it up. I think if we really want to make rugby faster and with more running then we need to seriously discourage the tackler from not releasing the ball carrier and to make the tackler roll away from the ruck. My solution is simple. Introduce a shortened penalty card system. This would be similar to Ice Hockey's penalty box/powerplay. Allow refs to give out 5minute cards (green or orange coloured, maybe). If players slow ruck ball and infringe, then you're off for 5mins. Its not as bigger call to make as a yellow card for refs, and players wouldn't need 4-5 of the same warning to justify being sent off. With the current yellow being 10mins, its quite a big call to make on the refs behalf. Instead a 5minute loss of a player is not too serious, but still gives the attacking team a decent advantage. Teams could also very well lose a couple of players if they persist with negative tactics at the tackle area. As for offsides, if the IRB implement the new law, where the Touch Judge (who is soon to be named the Flag Judge, I think) monitors the defensive lines, then teams should soon be caught for constant offsides. If we can stop these negative tactics then it should make the game more conducive to attacking rugby, which will then decrease the dependency on kicking. Problem solved! [/QUOTE]
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