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<blockquote data-quote="Shaggy" data-source="post: 719656" data-attributes="member: 43400"><p>Well, the counter argument is that he has the international experience ... what "form" constitutes "actual form" anyway? Are we talking Super Rugby, because if so, Nonu would have been discarded a couple of seasons ago. I'm not sure that Dagg has been struggling to lose the Jersey either. He only became the incumbent in 2011 after displacing Mils Muliana, and the selectors didn't have a problem selecting Ben Smith ahead of him for some of the matches last year. How long is "too long" to persevere with an experienced player anyway? ... It's easier to answer that in hindsight, than in the moment, when the selection has to be made.</p><p></p><p>It might seem that I'm pushing Dagg's barrow a bit here, but I still see him as one of the two best proven fullbacks in NZ, and as such, should be in the selection mix.</p><p></p><p>An awful lot of the negativity towards Dagg seems to have culminated after that missed tackle on May in the November test against England last year, but May also got through Conrad Smith, but there was no calling for him to be replaced. That whole tour was used to try out combinations, and try to nail down positions in the RWC anyway, so playing Ben Smith at full back for all of the games, probably wouldn't have helped the long term cause much.</p><p></p><p>As for bolters getting selected, I'd expect that the selectors will show their hand in the Samoan test, so if they are seriously looking at Milner-Scudder etc, I'd expect to see it then</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Shaggy, post: 719656, member: 43400"] Well, the counter argument is that he has the international experience ... what "form" constitutes "actual form" anyway? Are we talking Super Rugby, because if so, Nonu would have been discarded a couple of seasons ago. I'm not sure that Dagg has been struggling to lose the Jersey either. He only became the incumbent in 2011 after displacing Mils Muliana, and the selectors didn't have a problem selecting Ben Smith ahead of him for some of the matches last year. How long is "too long" to persevere with an experienced player anyway? ... It's easier to answer that in hindsight, than in the moment, when the selection has to be made. It might seem that I'm pushing Dagg's barrow a bit here, but I still see him as one of the two best proven fullbacks in NZ, and as such, should be in the selection mix. An awful lot of the negativity towards Dagg seems to have culminated after that missed tackle on May in the November test against England last year, but May also got through Conrad Smith, but there was no calling for him to be replaced. That whole tour was used to try out combinations, and try to nail down positions in the RWC anyway, so playing Ben Smith at full back for all of the games, probably wouldn't have helped the long term cause much. As for bolters getting selected, I'd expect that the selectors will show their hand in the Samoan test, so if they are seriously looking at Milner-Scudder etc, I'd expect to see it then [/QUOTE]
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