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Probably saying what a lot of AB fans are saying and thinking.
he should never have been picked to start with, he was in injured and hadn't played for months when it was announced, he should have been allowed to come back and just play without having to pick up the captains mantle at the same time
 

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Tbf Cane was world class before his neck injury. Hasn't been the same since.
He had some form in 2020. For a few games at least (although that was against a **** aus so maybe doesn't count - eg that second game against aus when aus thought they were playing touch - Caleb Clarkes run on debut). He wasn't too bad in 2019 either.
 
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i would have 12. jordie 14. reece 15. jordan
 

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The other one is just to slot Beauden back at 15 and leave Jordan at 14.
that is almost more likely

i just think most of jordans most efficient plays come when he drifts infield, see his worldie of a try last week running off the 12's shoulder like a 15, and reece has looked better at 14
 

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i just think most of jordans most efficient plays come when he drifts infield, see his worldie of a try last week running off the 12's shoulder like a 15, and reece has looked better at 14
No doubt. But doesn’t Foster doubt Jordan’s ability under the high ball? His attacking ability as full back is not in doubt.
 

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No doubt. But doesn’t Foster doubt Jordan’s ability under the high ball? His attacking ability as full back is not in doubt.
maybe...but i dont over respect a lot of fozzies opinions, jordan was 15 for the pretty dominant saders so i think he can do the job...and he hasnt been firing in the typical wing role so im kind of put him where hes his best or bring in someone else
 

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maybe...but i dont over respect a lot of fozzies opinions, jordan was 15 for the pretty dominant saders so i think he can do the job...and he hasnt been firing in the typical wing role so im kind of put him where hes his best or bring in someone else
True but Fozzie is the one ultimately picking the team with input from the other selectors and he seemed to suggest prior to the RC that that was the reason why he prefers Jordie there and I have seen Jordan drop a few when tested at test level.

And being proficient under the high ball at full back at international level as opposed go SR is pretty much a requisite nowadays.

I was a big fan of Corey Jane when he was playing for the ABs at 14 a decade ago. He was really a full back but could play that right wing role. Fantastic under the high ball during the World Cup and also the best left hand fend I’ve seen, although not as prolific a try scorer as Howlett. Not sure if Jordan is as well rounded as Jane was, yet.
 

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True but Fozzie is the one ultimately picking the team with input from the other selectors and he seemed to suggest prior to the RC that that was the reason why he prefers Jordie there and I have seen Jordan drop a few when tested at test level.

And being proficient under the high ball at full back at international level as opposed go SR is pretty much a requisite nowadays.

I was a big fan of Corey Jane when he was playing for the ABs at 14 a decade ago. He was really a full back but could play that right wing role. Fantastic under the high ball during the World Cup and also the best left hand fend I’ve seen, although not as prolific a try scorer as Howlett. Not sure if Jordan is as well rounded as Jane was, yet.
i think people like corey jane and ben smith are actually what fozzie is stuck on, he is wedded to the idea all fullbacks can play wing...rather than acknowledging that those guys were full backs that were aALSO world class wings

He also cant get over the idea you might not be able to get the 15 best players on the pitch at the same time, if you have two in the same position one might have to miss out, its all the same reason we saw jordie at 14 in 2020 and he was really bad

Jordie has definately earnt the 15, was only meaning if we were short in midfield it might be a chance to put a very solid 12 in the form of jordie in...and then see if jordan settled more at 15...whilst making room for reece to come back at 14
 

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No doubt. But doesn’t Foster doubt Jordan’s ability under the high ball? His attacking ability as full back is not in doubt.
I've never heard foster say he doubts Jordan's ability under the high ball, though I think he does think that and he has stated that Jordie is there largely for his ability under the high ball. jordan does have a pretty poor record under the high ball defensively but then has had some good games too recently (seems to be improving).

maybe...but i dont over respect a lot of fozzies opinions, jordan was 15 for the pretty dominant saders so i think he can do the job...and he hasnt been firing in the typical wing role so im kind of put him where hes his best or bring in someone else
High ball defense at super rugby level is a lot easier but also no one makes a big deal over a few unsuccessful takes per game because you can get away with it. Having said that, the wallabies don't kick high balls as much as the springboks or argentina, so I reckon jordan should get a crack.

Honestly don't know what they will do - why have rts in the squad and not use him?? when is he going to get time? I'm Not convinced he is ready not that he is a twelve, but m keen to see him develop to find out what he can bring - you'd think one of the best and highest paid league players could have a chance to make something out of union, but only if you find them the right position and give them time.

Rts ione, despite playing together for the blues and doing ok, isn't a very all blacks like midfield combo - where is the playmaking, where is the ability to connect with team mates.

Rieko epitomizes this team I reckon - does so many great things and so many terrible things, very inconsistent.
 

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I've never heard foster say he doubts Jordan's ability under the high ball, though I think he does think that and he has stated that Jordie is there largely for his ability under the high ball. jordan does have a pretty poor record under the high ball defensively but then has had some good games too recently (seems to be improving).

Yes, not specifically regarding Jordan under the high ball but more implied by preferring Jordie and mentioning his ability under the high ball. Also as you said seen Jordan struggle at times at test level. Still young and improving.
 

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One thing that concerns me about Jordie as a twelve is susceptibility to being held up given his height
 

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