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<blockquote data-quote="TRF Mr Fish" data-source="post: 350838" data-attributes="member: 20892"><p>Just a few minor points of rebuttal - though I do agree Donald didn't kick wisely.</p><p></p><p>1) Australia should've won this game, as well as the last. The scariest thing for New Zealanders is that Australia have missed so many of their kicks - they should've been up 20-0. In both this game and the last had both teams kicked all their goals Australia would've won considerably - come World Cup I'm sure Oz will be kicking goals well, so we need to beat them in other ways.</p><p></p><p>2) I think the Asia test is always difficult to use as an assessment of a team, because they always lack the structure of other tests. Partly due to being rusty, partly due to wanting to have a bit of fun, but both teams lacked a lot of structure, and come World Cup I'm sure the affair will be much more controlled than it was.</p><p></p><p>3) Momentum swung in Oz's favour after Carter came off not because of Donald - he only touched the ball five or six times really. Straight after Carter went off Australia scored because Isaia Toeava slipped over, leaving a huge gap in our midfield, which Australia wisely exploited - this of course cost us 7 points, but I'd hardly blame Toeava for our loss. Likewise, Carter missed two kicks at goal I believe, but I wouldn't attribute the loss to him either. In the same vain, I wouldn't say Donald caused our loss. He didn't ensure us winning, but it wasn't him and him alone that lost us the match. You could easily say Nonu and Jane missing Ashley-Cooper lost us the match.</p><p></p><p>4) Austalia really should've scored that try down the flanks where Barnes' pass didn't hit O'Connor where it should've - not due to our defence, just due to Barnes' mistake. Australia didn't capitalise in this position, whereas after Donald's kick they did. After his kick, at least two players missed Beale - he should never have been allowed to run as far as he did. The kick wasn't good, but it wasn't the cause of the try. Likewise, had he kicked it out, who's to say Oz wouldn't have scored? </p><p></p><p>5) It is inevitable that Australia would beat us sometime in the next half year - I'd much rather it was now than in the World Cup, or in the last game of the Tri Nations before the World Cup. I'd bet money that in 9 months time you'll have people saying thank god for that loss - it's where we got stronger as a team. I personally don't care about the winning streak, and I'd much rather go into the Cup with four or five wins in a row than the 20 odd they might've had.</p><p></p><p>SmartCooky your comments are incredibly ignorant and one eyed - you would've found a way to blame a loss on Donald no matter what. His defence was actually superb, bar one missed tackle, and I don't believe he lost us the game at all. Take your useless comments somewhere else, maybe think a bit and try and contribute to some discussion, rather than just looking up synonyms for bad in the dictionary and pasting them across the forums.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TRF Mr Fish, post: 350838, member: 20892"] Just a few minor points of rebuttal - though I do agree Donald didn't kick wisely. 1) Australia should've won this game, as well as the last. The scariest thing for New Zealanders is that Australia have missed so many of their kicks - they should've been up 20-0. In both this game and the last had both teams kicked all their goals Australia would've won considerably - come World Cup I'm sure Oz will be kicking goals well, so we need to beat them in other ways. 2) I think the Asia test is always difficult to use as an assessment of a team, because they always lack the structure of other tests. Partly due to being rusty, partly due to wanting to have a bit of fun, but both teams lacked a lot of structure, and come World Cup I'm sure the affair will be much more controlled than it was. 3) Momentum swung in Oz's favour after Carter came off not because of Donald - he only touched the ball five or six times really. Straight after Carter went off Australia scored because Isaia Toeava slipped over, leaving a huge gap in our midfield, which Australia wisely exploited - this of course cost us 7 points, but I'd hardly blame Toeava for our loss. Likewise, Carter missed two kicks at goal I believe, but I wouldn't attribute the loss to him either. In the same vain, I wouldn't say Donald caused our loss. He didn't ensure us winning, but it wasn't him and him alone that lost us the match. You could easily say Nonu and Jane missing Ashley-Cooper lost us the match. 4) Austalia really should've scored that try down the flanks where Barnes' pass didn't hit O'Connor where it should've - not due to our defence, just due to Barnes' mistake. Australia didn't capitalise in this position, whereas after Donald's kick they did. After his kick, at least two players missed Beale - he should never have been allowed to run as far as he did. The kick wasn't good, but it wasn't the cause of the try. Likewise, had he kicked it out, who's to say Oz wouldn't have scored? 5) It is inevitable that Australia would beat us sometime in the next half year - I'd much rather it was now than in the World Cup, or in the last game of the Tri Nations before the World Cup. I'd bet money that in 9 months time you'll have people saying thank god for that loss - it's where we got stronger as a team. I personally don't care about the winning streak, and I'd much rather go into the Cup with four or five wins in a row than the 20 odd they might've had. SmartCooky your comments are incredibly ignorant and one eyed - you would've found a way to blame a loss on Donald no matter what. His defence was actually superb, bar one missed tackle, and I don't believe he lost us the game at all. Take your useless comments somewhere else, maybe think a bit and try and contribute to some discussion, rather than just looking up synonyms for bad in the dictionary and pasting them across the forums. [/QUOTE]
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