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<blockquote data-quote="Prestwick" data-source="post: 90335"><p>Argentina would destroy all the teams in that competition. How would that help them develop.</p><p></p><p>Plus there is the issue being mentioned of most of their players playing in Europe.</p><p>[/b]</p></blockquote><p>Let their Elite players stay in Europe, and the ones below that skill level compete in an expanded NA4 competition. </p><p><a href="http://www.narugby.com" target="_blank">http://www.narugby.com</a></p><p>That wouldn't hurt anyone. It could only strengthen the Americas. The elite of Argentina are already getting exccellent training in Eruope...just look at their victories over the French and the English and their draw with the Lions. Help them develop more depth locally, and strengthen the rugby in Canada and the US.</p><p>[/b][/quote]</p><p></p><p>For the record, Rugby Canada, USA Rugby and the Argentine RFU are hoping to create a 3 nation Super 14 style league.</p><p></p><p>The problem with keeping the Argentine players in the UK and Europe, or anywhere else is for that matter, is that it is quite a short sighted policy. As we are seeing with Italy, drawing players away from their home nation does little to raise the profile of rugby in the actual nation itself. Essentially the Italian Super 10 teams are being asset stripped of their best players by the bigger and more powerful English, French and Irish teams and it has hurt the game in Italy bad. </p><p></p><p>Argentina are in an even worse position. Unlike Italy, the Argentine RFU is broke and officially bankrupt. Unlike Italy, Argentina is still in a state of semi-amateurism and unlike Italy, there is no incentive to invest and train the stars of tomorrow. Why should they? They'll just get cherry picked by the British and European clubs and leave Argentina will no return on their investment.</p><p></p><p>People tend to forget that the foundation of an excellent international side is only as strong as the health of the game at home. If the game at home is bankrupt with little or no grass roots development with teams outside of your country having to train your players, then that it no way to form and support an international team.</p><p></p><p>Argentina are in that seriously troubling position right now. They don't have the financial or development backing that other emerging Rugby nations like Rugby Canada or the Japanese RFU have and neither do they have the star players or the investment at home to increase the game's visibility to the Argentine sporting public.</p><p></p><p>Argentina need two things. Firstly they need to get into an International competition other than the world cup rather than be fobbed off with some bogus "Americas Cup" rubbish. Secondly they need to form a fully professional and well organised club competition (either on their own or with the yanks and the canucks) which will give both the Argentine public a reason to invest in rugby at home and the players a reason to stay at home.</p><p></p><p>Argentina only have 4-8 years to get this right. There is little or no sign of a new generation of Argentina players traveling North who can replace the current crop. Most likely the form of the current Argentine squad will die as soon as the existing players start retiring, Argentina will shrivel from view, SANZAR will say "I told you so" and the same existing big 8 will continue to jealously guard the game (and it's slowly diminishing returns) for themselves.</p><p></p><p>In effect gentlemen, we run the risk of seeing the game gradually dying in Argentina if we continue on our present course.</p><p></p><p>And we as the rugby going public will suffer all the more for it.</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="Prestwick, post: 90335"] Argentina would destroy all the teams in that competition. How would that help them develop. Plus there is the issue being mentioned of most of their players playing in Europe. [/b][/quote] Let their Elite players stay in Europe, and the ones below that skill level compete in an expanded NA4 competition. [url="http://www.narugby.com"]http://www.narugby.com[/url] That wouldn't hurt anyone. It could only strengthen the Americas. The elite of Argentina are already getting exccellent training in Eruope...just look at their victories over the French and the English and their draw with the Lions. Help them develop more depth locally, and strengthen the rugby in Canada and the US. [/b][/quote] For the record, Rugby Canada, USA Rugby and the Argentine RFU are hoping to create a 3 nation Super 14 style league. The problem with keeping the Argentine players in the UK and Europe, or anywhere else is for that matter, is that it is quite a short sighted policy. As we are seeing with Italy, drawing players away from their home nation does little to raise the profile of rugby in the actual nation itself. Essentially the Italian Super 10 teams are being asset stripped of their best players by the bigger and more powerful English, French and Irish teams and it has hurt the game in Italy bad. Argentina are in an even worse position. Unlike Italy, the Argentine RFU is broke and officially bankrupt. Unlike Italy, Argentina is still in a state of semi-amateurism and unlike Italy, there is no incentive to invest and train the stars of tomorrow. Why should they? They'll just get cherry picked by the British and European clubs and leave Argentina will no return on their investment. People tend to forget that the foundation of an excellent international side is only as strong as the health of the game at home. If the game at home is bankrupt with little or no grass roots development with teams outside of your country having to train your players, then that it no way to form and support an international team. Argentina are in that seriously troubling position right now. They don't have the financial or development backing that other emerging Rugby nations like Rugby Canada or the Japanese RFU have and neither do they have the star players or the investment at home to increase the game's visibility to the Argentine sporting public. Argentina need two things. Firstly they need to get into an International competition other than the world cup rather than be fobbed off with some bogus "Americas Cup" rubbish. Secondly they need to form a fully professional and well organised club competition (either on their own or with the yanks and the canucks) which will give both the Argentine public a reason to invest in rugby at home and the players a reason to stay at home. Argentina only have 4-8 years to get this right. There is little or no sign of a new generation of Argentina players traveling North who can replace the current crop. Most likely the form of the current Argentine squad will die as soon as the existing players start retiring, Argentina will shrivel from view, SANZAR will say "I told you so" and the same existing big 8 will continue to jealously guard the game (and it's slowly diminishing returns) for themselves. In effect gentlemen, we run the risk of seeing the game gradually dying in Argentina if we continue on our present course. And we as the rugby going public will suffer all the more for it. [/QUOTE]
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