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<blockquote data-quote="hbijbjon" data-source="post: 950304" data-attributes="member: 80531"><p>Disclaimer: I'm a honorary fan of Jaguares and Los Pumas <strong>I only speak for myself </strong></p><p></p><p>Where I differ from my ARG based cohorts is that I'm more bullish and confident about these</p><p>2 respective sides</p><p></p><p> To give an analogy: When in Rome do you assimilate yourself to the native population </p><p>or do you take over Rome as a Barbarian <strong>I prefer the Barbarian way</strong></p><p></p><p>Long term ARG rugby is in a healthy spot: Pumitas (U20) side are producing talented players who now have multiple pathways: </p><p></p><p>Jaguares XV vs tough Afrikaans packs & dangerous outside backs + Argentine XV (2nd team) & play in ARC</p><p></p><p>Then onto Secondary pathways from Jaguares to Los Pumas</p><p></p><p>Super Rugby: The SA sides have been decimated - The Bulls in 2020 will resemble a CC side + two starting props, Gelant & pair of 35 years </p><p></p><p>Sharks have also been hollowed out Lions have little to work with & Stormers are still c r a p</p><p></p><p>Jaguares only have to replace Matera who's world class but will be replaced with multiple players</p><p>Lavanini whilst a very good player has terrible hands and discipline can still be poor at times</p><p></p><p>So in 2020 The Africa Conference is the Jaguares to lose if they perform to a similar level to 2019</p><p></p><p>@TRF as you've seen in SA the CC has had a terrible decline in status and prestige over last 10 years</p><p>Look at Wikipedia Page of 2009 CC+ Highlights on YouTube Notice the crowds in attendance + </p><p>Springboks galore playing </p><p></p><p>In 2019 CC is an empty shell of its former glory This is sad but a reality of modern game</p><p>CC along with Mitre 10 in NZ has been relegated to a 3rd rate Comp way behind Super Rugby & Test Matches</p><p>Hence this allows Jaguares VX a great chance to be promoted to CC Premier Division and become a leading side </p><p></p><p>You're correct in that Pampas XV were dubious in leaving CC to join the Pacific Comp</p><p></p><p>UAR hopefully realise that Jaguares XV is a key asset to development of Jaguares & Los Pumas</p><p>Development aid to accelerate talent and recuperation of experienced players from injuries</p><p></p><p>Essentially Half of the Los Squad for 2019 RWC will be comprised of those who played</p><p>for the Pampas XV from ~2010-13 </p><p></p><p>Imagine How many players will be developed in time for 2023 squad!!!!!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hbijbjon, post: 950304, member: 80531"] Disclaimer: I'm a honorary fan of Jaguares and Los Pumas [B]I only speak for myself [/B] Where I differ from my ARG based cohorts is that I'm more bullish and confident about these 2 respective sides To give an analogy: When in Rome do you assimilate yourself to the native population or do you take over Rome as a Barbarian [B]I prefer the Barbarian way[/B] Long term ARG rugby is in a healthy spot: Pumitas (U20) side are producing talented players who now have multiple pathways: Jaguares XV vs tough Afrikaans packs & dangerous outside backs + Argentine XV (2nd team) & play in ARC Then onto Secondary pathways from Jaguares to Los Pumas Super Rugby: The SA sides have been decimated - The Bulls in 2020 will resemble a CC side + two starting props, Gelant & pair of 35 years Sharks have also been hollowed out Lions have little to work with & Stormers are still c r a p Jaguares only have to replace Matera who's world class but will be replaced with multiple players Lavanini whilst a very good player has terrible hands and discipline can still be poor at times So in 2020 The Africa Conference is the Jaguares to lose if they perform to a similar level to 2019 @TRF as you've seen in SA the CC has had a terrible decline in status and prestige over last 10 years Look at Wikipedia Page of 2009 CC+ Highlights on YouTube Notice the crowds in attendance + Springboks galore playing In 2019 CC is an empty shell of its former glory This is sad but a reality of modern game CC along with Mitre 10 in NZ has been relegated to a 3rd rate Comp way behind Super Rugby & Test Matches Hence this allows Jaguares VX a great chance to be promoted to CC Premier Division and become a leading side You're correct in that Pampas XV were dubious in leaving CC to join the Pacific Comp UAR hopefully realise that Jaguares XV is a key asset to development of Jaguares & Los Pumas Development aid to accelerate talent and recuperation of experienced players from injuries Essentially Half of the Los Squad for 2019 RWC will be comprised of those who played for the Pampas XV from ~2010-13 Imagine How many players will be developed in time for 2023 squad!!!!! [/QUOTE]
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