Australia 27 vs England 17 FT

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  1. Quadecooper#1

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    Bring it on!
    will be interesting to see what level both teams are at. Both had scrappy warm up games. Not too sure about the strength of the English line up but Australia are worryingly dropping like flies. No Robinson, Alexander, Polota Nau, Moore, Horwil, Palu, Higginbotham or Ashley Cooper. Genia will be a big plus though. Burgess had one of his best games lately against Fiji but still dropped ball. The backs gelled in the second half and played pretty well. Would have liked to have seen AAC back at fullback for this game. The forwards need to improve or will look stupid against England. They were slow at getting to the break down and didn't "blast" at the rucks giving slow ball.
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    TRF_Olyy English Arrogance

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    Is AAC definatley out? I saw him get injured yesterday, didn't know whether it was anything serious

    I think Australia will beat us, simple as.
    England has some good players, but that's harmed by the fact they aren't picked/are brought down by poor selections in other positions. Tim Payne will almost definately be involved somewhere, and against the BaaBaas, when he came on the pitch there were two scrums and each time the BaaBaas scored a try from them...
     
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    pretty sure he will be out, hopefully just be out for a week or so. Therefore will play in the 2nd test v poms.

    Why aren't the good players picked? I thought this would be a prime opportunity for the English pack to target our understrength pack and starve our backs of ball.
     
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    TRF_Olyy English Arrogance

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    Johnson makes odd selections, he has picked some good players for the tour, but then he's also picked some that have no right being in an England shirt.
     
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    If we had a good manager we'd beat you, simple as. But Jonno seems to like picking loosing players which have no place in an England shirt e.g. Tim Payne.
     
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    Thats bad...

    http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/u...-front-row-into-roses-fray-20100606-xn90.html
     
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    I can't say I'm too familiar with the ins and outs of Pek Cowan's game. However we are pretty much into our third string front row so yeah England could murder us here.

    1st
    1. Benn Robinson INJURED
    2. Stephen Moore INJURED
    3. Ben Alexander INJURED

    2nd
    1. Sekope Kepu INJURDED
    2. Tatafu Palatu-Nau INJURED
    3. Salese Ma'afu

    3rd
    1. Pek Cowan
    2. Huia Edmonds
    3. Salese Ma'afu

    In terms of winning the game I think we would be better of bringing in some experienced heads like Baxter, Shepherd and dare I say Dunning - but in terms of development and player depth it's great.
     
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    Just read that the England team for the test is already picked, and the players playing against the barbarians tomorrow are playing "for a win, and a spot in the second test" which means Payne will be in the squad.
    Anyone who watched the Baabaas game last week saw what effect he had...two scrums two tries for the baabaas. If we ever had a scrap of hope, it's definately gone now.
    Golding will be fit for Saturday though, so hopefully he'll start over Payne,
    Would still prefer any of the other props on the tour over Payne involved though
     
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    I wouldn't be supprised if Faingaa started the test match at hooker, especially considering he's not in the bah bahs squad. Edmonds big strength is his running game, he can play like another loose forward, but he didn't do much of that against Fiji. Faingaa plays more like a flanker, tackling and rucking, and he was quite impressive in those areas on the weekend.
     
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    ive been trying to fing this match on the T.V to make sure i don't have to watch it on my computer then today i remembered ime going to be at it.
     
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    Phil Dowson called up to replace injured Fourie.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/8729742.stm

    Changes around my backrow wants,
    I'd like to see:
    6. Croft
    7. Moody
    8. Dowson

    Then Haskell on the bench, as he can cover flanker and 8

    However i'm expecting Haskell/Moody/Easter, with Croft on the bench
     
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    The line ups have been anounced.

    AUSTRALIA
    15. James O'Connor (Western Force)
    14. Digby Ioane (Queensland Reds)
    13. Rob Horne (NSW Waratahs)
    12. Matt Giteau (Brumbies)
    11. Drew Mitchell (NSW Waratahs)
    10. Quade Cooper (Queensland Reds)
    9. Luke Burgess (NSW Waratahs)
    8. Richard Brown (Western Force)
    7. David Pocock (Western Force)
    6. Rocky Elsom (Brumbies, captain)
    5. Nathan Sharpe (Western Force)
    4. Dean Mumm (NSW Waratahs)
    3. Salesi Ma'afu (Brumbies)
    2. Saia Faingaa (Queensland Reds)
    1. Ben Daley (Queensland Reds)
    Reserves:
    16. Huia Edmonds (Brumbies)
    17. James Slipper (Queensland Reds)
    18. Mark Chisholm (Brumbies)
    19. Matt Hodgson (Western Force)
    20. Will Genia (Queensland Reds)
    21. Berrick Barnes (NSW Waratahs)
    22. Kurtley Beale (NSW Waratahs)

    ENGLAND:
    15. B Foden (Northampton)
    14. M Cueto (Sale)
    13. M Tindall (Gloucester)
    12. S Hape (Bath)
    11. C Ashton (Northampton)
    10. T Flood (Leicester)
    9. D Care (Harlequins)
    1. T Payne (Wasps)
    2. S Thompson (Leeds)
    3. D Cole (Leicester)
    4. S Shaw (Wasps)
    5. T Palmer (Stade Francais)
    6. T Croft (Leicester)
    7. L Moody (Bath, capt)
    8. N Easter (Harlequins).

    http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/u...d-to-wallabies-starting-xv-20100610-xza9.html
    http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/u...s-to-aussies-embarrassment-20100610-xy3x.html
     
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    Ouch only two test caps among the Australian front row. I think we all know how England are going to play it. We will destroy them in the backs if given the chance though.
     
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    and we saw the influence the scrum had at taking away the barbarians momentum.. hope they can hold their own till Robinson and co get back!
     
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    Tim Payne and Shontayne Hape, unlucky England.
     
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    Why is Genia on bench ???
     
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    He's just coming back from injury - I wasn't expecting to see him back till the tri-nations.

    Australia may struggle up front - I think both Daley and Faingaa are promising players, but don't think they are ready for this level yet (and too be fair are only starting due to a huge number of injuries). I also noticed Slipper was on the bench - did he even play during this years super 14?
     
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    TIM PAYNE!?!?!?!

    Hopefully he gets food poisoning or something before the match.
    I thought we were in with a good shout before, but with him in the squad it just takes away everything.
    I actually can't believe Johnson, it's beyond a joke now. Payne is an awful player, truely awful. Anonymous in the loose, poor at the breakdown and might as well be an opposition prop in the scrum, the ammount of time he spends going backwards/giving them penalties. Did Johnson not see the BaaBaas game? Either of them? In Twickers, our scrum died when he came on, in Aus our scrum was GOOD. Why not use the loosehead from that match? I mean, he's using Tait, Chuter and Lawes who played in the match so he's not resting them all. Bloody hell, i'm annoyed.

    Hopefully we get to see a 12. Tindall, 13. Tait combination by the end of the match, could be interesting.
    Good to see Lawes and Youngs on the bench, hopefully they get some decent game time. Don't get why Chuter is there though, Mears had a much better game than him against the BaaBaas.
     
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    He got a few minutes off the bench here and there but nothing substantial. You think they would have picked Weeks?
     
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    I have faith that Cole will win our scrum for us, as long as Payne resists the urge to pull it down.
     
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