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<blockquote data-quote="RoosTah" data-source="post: 640188" data-attributes="member: 12207"><p>That's simply nonsense. I'm passionate about it, but this entire debate got hijacked because a couple of the English members here decided that I was effectively a Nazi for saying our association with England hasn't simply failed to proffer any benefit on Australia since Federation, but has actually been down right bad for us, with a series of awful decisions by London leading to disasters in our part of the world.</p><p></p><p>What has flowed from that is a stream of hyperventilating on behalf of a few English here about how I fail to understand how tough England had it etc etc, all the while failing to address the point that NONE of it changes the fact that there is simply ZERO security, economic or sentimental rationale to retaining the British monarchy as our Head of State. </p><p></p><p>You can argue whether it's fair or not to bring in the Singapore debacle (which, as I said, is in fact viewed as a betrayal in Australian history classes whether you like it or not up there) or the decision to outsource our naval defence to the Japanese, but none of this alters the fundamental fact that our association with Britain has ultimately proved a burden. </p><p></p><p>I've left this for a little while because I figure any debate needs a bit of breathing space the moment it is apparent 'Godwin's Law' has entered into effect (thank you for that Tallshort...). </p><p></p><p>But it's been a little while now, so perhaps Tallshort has calmed down and won't be asking his English friends in Australia to quickly leave the country lest a 'final solution' from your local Australian republican befall them if I once more suggest that ultimately the British Monarchy represents everything we otherwise claim to be against (entrenched privilege, nepotism, and non-democratic and entirely exclusive positions of public office) and so therefore has little place in our life in the 21st century.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">There'll certainly never not be an Emperor in Japan unless there is another massive war like WW2 and a country similar to the former USSR has its way. The Russians had planned a massive assault on Japan during WW2 from the north in conjunction with the Americans and fully intended to publicly execute Hirohito if they took Tokyo and Kyoto. The Americans however, like the British in India, recognised the utility of local lackeys with a history of power and influence, so pardoned him. </span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RoosTah, post: 640188, member: 12207"] That's simply nonsense. I'm passionate about it, but this entire debate got hijacked because a couple of the English members here decided that I was effectively a Nazi for saying our association with England hasn't simply failed to proffer any benefit on Australia since Federation, but has actually been down right bad for us, with a series of awful decisions by London leading to disasters in our part of the world. What has flowed from that is a stream of hyperventilating on behalf of a few English here about how I fail to understand how tough England had it etc etc, all the while failing to address the point that NONE of it changes the fact that there is simply ZERO security, economic or sentimental rationale to retaining the British monarchy as our Head of State. You can argue whether it's fair or not to bring in the Singapore debacle (which, as I said, is in fact viewed as a betrayal in Australian history classes whether you like it or not up there) or the decision to outsource our naval defence to the Japanese, but none of this alters the fundamental fact that our association with Britain has ultimately proved a burden. I've left this for a little while because I figure any debate needs a bit of breathing space the moment it is apparent 'Godwin's Law' has entered into effect (thank you for that Tallshort...). But it's been a little while now, so perhaps Tallshort has calmed down and won't be asking his English friends in Australia to quickly leave the country lest a 'final solution' from your local Australian republican befall them if I once more suggest that ultimately the British Monarchy represents everything we otherwise claim to be against (entrenched privilege, nepotism, and non-democratic and entirely exclusive positions of public office) and so therefore has little place in our life in the 21st century. [FONT=Verdana][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]There'll certainly never not be an Emperor in Japan unless there is another massive war like WW2 and a country similar to the former USSR has its way. The Russians had planned a massive assault on Japan during WW2 from the north in conjunction with the Americans and fully intended to publicly execute Hirohito if they took Tokyo and Kyoto. The Americans however, like the British in India, recognised the utility of local lackeys with a history of power and influence, so pardoned him. [/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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