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Barrett ahead of Cruden? Carter near the end?
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<blockquote data-quote="ABs2011" data-source="post: 598126" data-attributes="member: 57663"><p>Just for the record though - the thread ***le is "Barrett ahead of Cruden?" PRESENT tense. For all the arguments that people make, evidence suggests the most reasonable answer is NO. The reasons have been discussed in detail and at this stage the AB coaching staff and selectors clearly agree. Even some of your own arguments Dizzy point to the future, namely "Barrett will also get there too" with respect to his struggling D. Seems you are hinting more to a future prospect type comparison rather than looking at the present.</p><p></p><p>Regarding Barrett not starting yet, the point is still valid. His performance off the bench v SA after 15min was a fantastic outing, no doubting that, but it is an entirely different kettle of fish to be named in the starting lineup, providing the opposition time to construct a game plan to combat said starter, let alone starting week in week out and demonstrating a consistent ability to control a game from the outset and lead a winning team! These are things Cruden has done, at Super Rugby level winning two championships, and at AB level where he is undefeated as a starter. Barrett has not done this and IMHO will need to take his chances as a starter in lesser games (or via injury to the experienced guys) to work his way up! Don't underestimate this fact in the reasoning for the AB selectors choosing Cruden ahead of Barrett to this point in the games that mean something!</p><p></p><p>As for being a "naysayer" it's not that simple at all. First and foremost I am not a naysayer re Barrett. I highly rate him, but I believe we have 2 better options at 10 at this point in time. My support of Cruden is not about knocking Barrett down it is simply about answering the question "Barrett ahead of Cruden?" If the question was "Will Barrett overtake Cruden?" I'm not sure I'd be very comfortable answering that now. I'd probably still tend towards Cruden as he has proven himself over a longer time frame than Barrett BUT Barrett is without doubt closing the gap.</p><p></p><p>Looking forward to seeing how all three go from this weekend through to the EoY tour! Regardless of opinions in this thread one thing is for sure, The ABs are blessed with talent in the 10 jersey.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ABs2011, post: 598126, member: 57663"] Just for the record though - the thread ***le is "Barrett ahead of Cruden?" PRESENT tense. For all the arguments that people make, evidence suggests the most reasonable answer is NO. The reasons have been discussed in detail and at this stage the AB coaching staff and selectors clearly agree. Even some of your own arguments Dizzy point to the future, namely "Barrett will also get there too" with respect to his struggling D. Seems you are hinting more to a future prospect type comparison rather than looking at the present. Regarding Barrett not starting yet, the point is still valid. His performance off the bench v SA after 15min was a fantastic outing, no doubting that, but it is an entirely different kettle of fish to be named in the starting lineup, providing the opposition time to construct a game plan to combat said starter, let alone starting week in week out and demonstrating a consistent ability to control a game from the outset and lead a winning team! These are things Cruden has done, at Super Rugby level winning two championships, and at AB level where he is undefeated as a starter. Barrett has not done this and IMHO will need to take his chances as a starter in lesser games (or via injury to the experienced guys) to work his way up! Don't underestimate this fact in the reasoning for the AB selectors choosing Cruden ahead of Barrett to this point in the games that mean something! As for being a "naysayer” it's not that simple at all. First and foremost I am not a naysayer re Barrett. I highly rate him, but I believe we have 2 better options at 10 at this point in time. My support of Cruden is not about knocking Barrett down it is simply about answering the question "Barrett ahead of Cruden?” If the question was "Will Barrett overtake Cruden?" I'm not sure I'd be very comfortable answering that now. I’d probably still tend towards Cruden as he has proven himself over a longer time frame than Barrett BUT Barrett is without doubt closing the gap. Looking forward to seeing how all three go from this weekend through to the EoY tour! Regardless of opinions in this thread one thing is for sure, The ABs are blessed with talent in the 10 jersey. [/QUOTE]
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