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Barrett ahead of Cruden? Carter near the end?
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<blockquote data-quote="Larksea" data-source="post: 598142" data-attributes="member: 43875"><p>I never said that Barrett wasn't completely without fault, I think most players would have had to get their technique almost spot on to tackle JDV in that position 1 on 1, he got very low and made it very hard for barrett to get to his hip or legs and that for that play in particular it was more well played to JDV than heap blame on barrett. And after going through barrett JDV went straight through Nonu as well.</p><p></p><p>I know you like Cruden, I do as well I honestly think he is arguably one of the most inspiring and likable people in NZ. Smart, skilled with an impeccable work ethic, hes achieved a lot so far and will continue to do so for a long time to come. I mean hes a cancer survivor to boot. I mean what a guy?</p><p></p><p>but right from the beginning Barrett has been ahead of Cruden many ways, considering hes two years (almost 2.5 years) younger than Cruden I think hes generally always been ahead of where Cruden has been at the same age in terms of his individual development and ability. Right now what we are seeing is Barrett getting to the same level maybe even surpassing Cruden while being 2.5 years Crudens Junior. and Still basically a pup.</p><p></p><p>I think the Cruden fans will highlight tackling technique because it is basically the only area cruden is still clearly better than Barrett, but the fact is Barrett has and is making big gains in that area. His defense for the ABs this year will be surprising and impressing a lot of people.</p><p></p><p>Yes, I have pet players. But if you look at the players I favour I'm generally right.</p><p></p><p>I supported Donald all the way through while almost noone else did then he played a key role in winning us a world cup.</p><p>I was a Messam supporter all along and he has ended up clearly elevating himself above Vito and Thomson to secure the AB 6 jersey.</p><p>Even going way back to the previous forum I posted on I got slagged off for suggesting Kaino would eventually be world class and I got flamed by cantabrians for suggesting Kieran Read should swap to #8 full time - some time before he actually did and became the best #8 in the world.</p><p></p><p>I dont get everything right, i swore I was 100% convinved Toby Smith would be a long time All Black and take over from Woodcock. That wont happen but before going over to Aussie i think hes shown he has the potential. I think he would be in this current All Black squad if he had not signed for the Rebels... I still think some bad timing with injury is all that prevented All Black selection before this year.</p><p></p><p>And ill also admit I never saw Conrad Smiths carrier going the way it has. I always thought Nonu made smith look good, I think a lot of people did but I think the whole of NZ now knows that the whole time it was probably the other way around. I mean who in 2007-08 would have though that by 2011 Conrad Smith would be the most important player in the All Blacks backline and the best center in the world?</p><p></p><p>IMO by the time Carter relinquishes his position as clear #1 first five in NZ Barrett is going to be the successor. But I cant remember a time like now where NZ has basically the three best 10s in the world. Could we even say that Carter, Barrett and Cruden would be three of the top 5 first fives in the game right now? pretty insane really.</p><p></p><p>I also think given time Perenara will overtake Smith hand TKB in the pecking order.</p><p></p><p>And I fricken hate the hurricanes!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Larksea, post: 598142, member: 43875"] I never said that Barrett wasn't completely without fault, I think most players would have had to get their technique almost spot on to tackle JDV in that position 1 on 1, he got very low and made it very hard for barrett to get to his hip or legs and that for that play in particular it was more well played to JDV than heap blame on barrett. And after going through barrett JDV went straight through Nonu as well. I know you like Cruden, I do as well I honestly think he is arguably one of the most inspiring and likable people in NZ. Smart, skilled with an impeccable work ethic, hes achieved a lot so far and will continue to do so for a long time to come. I mean hes a cancer survivor to boot. I mean what a guy? but right from the beginning Barrett has been ahead of Cruden many ways, considering hes two years (almost 2.5 years) younger than Cruden I think hes generally always been ahead of where Cruden has been at the same age in terms of his individual development and ability. Right now what we are seeing is Barrett getting to the same level maybe even surpassing Cruden while being 2.5 years Crudens Junior. and Still basically a pup. I think the Cruden fans will highlight tackling technique because it is basically the only area cruden is still clearly better than Barrett, but the fact is Barrett has and is making big gains in that area. His defense for the ABs this year will be surprising and impressing a lot of people. Yes, I have pet players. But if you look at the players I favour I'm generally right. I supported Donald all the way through while almost noone else did then he played a key role in winning us a world cup. I was a Messam supporter all along and he has ended up clearly elevating himself above Vito and Thomson to secure the AB 6 jersey. Even going way back to the previous forum I posted on I got slagged off for suggesting Kaino would eventually be world class and I got flamed by cantabrians for suggesting Kieran Read should swap to #8 full time - some time before he actually did and became the best #8 in the world. I dont get everything right, i swore I was 100% convinved Toby Smith would be a long time All Black and take over from Woodcock. That wont happen but before going over to Aussie i think hes shown he has the potential. I think he would be in this current All Black squad if he had not signed for the Rebels... I still think some bad timing with injury is all that prevented All Black selection before this year. And ill also admit I never saw Conrad Smiths carrier going the way it has. I always thought Nonu made smith look good, I think a lot of people did but I think the whole of NZ now knows that the whole time it was probably the other way around. I mean who in 2007-08 would have though that by 2011 Conrad Smith would be the most important player in the All Blacks backline and the best center in the world? IMO by the time Carter relinquishes his position as clear #1 first five in NZ Barrett is going to be the successor. But I cant remember a time like now where NZ has basically the three best 10s in the world. Could we even say that Carter, Barrett and Cruden would be three of the top 5 first fives in the game right now? pretty insane really. I also think given time Perenara will overtake Smith hand TKB in the pecking order. And I fricken hate the hurricanes! [/QUOTE]
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