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Bledisloe Cup: Match 2 - New Zealand vs. Australia (17/08/2019)
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<blockquote data-quote="Brigantine" data-source="post: 952755" data-attributes="member: 73940"><p>If Hansen delivers on the RWC 3peat, he will be forgiven for anything else that happens.</p><p>But what if he doesn't win the RWC? Then what will he be judged on? <span style="font-size: 10px">(for reference, Hansen has been head coach since 2012, and assistant coach since 2004)</span></p><p><u><em></em></u></p><p><u><em>Here are the Golden Era records and stats at stake in this game...</em></u></p><p></p><p><strong>Even if the ABs win this weekend</strong>, <span style="font-size: 10px">(paying $1.17)</span> we will most likely lose the top rankings spot in the next 2 weeks <span style="font-size: 10px">(to whoever wins out of Wales, Ireland or Enlgand, unless they draw)</span>.</p><p>That #1 ranking we've enjoyed since November 2009.</p><p>Last week we already got the worst TRC result since 2004 <span style="font-size: 10px">(3rd place)</span>, and equaled the record biggest loss to any opposition ever <span style="font-size: 10px">(to Australia by 21 points in August 1999 in Sydney)</span>.</p><p>That much is probably still survivable for Hansen.</p><p></p><p><strong>If we draw this weekend</strong>, we will lose the Bledisloe Cup which we've held since 2003, and <span style="font-size: 10px">(unless Wales and England draw)</span> we'll drop to 3rd in the rankings, also for the first time since 2003.</p><p>Until the draw with the Lions in 2017, we had won every game at Eden Park since August 1994 <span style="font-size: 10px">(draw with South Africa)</span>. There were 4 coaches in between that won every Eden Park game <span style="font-size: 10px">(from John Hart to Graham Henry)</span>.</p><p></p><p><strong>And if the Wallabies win</strong>, <span style="font-size: 10px">(paying $4.65)</span> it will be the first time in NZ since August 2011 <span style="font-size: 10px">(in Dunedin by 8 points)</span>, the first time at Eden Park since September 1986 <span style="font-size: 10px">(by 13 points)</span>, and the end of the unbeaten record there since July 1994 <span style="font-size: 10px">(lost by 3 to France)</span>.</p><p></p><p><strong>If we happen to lose by 15+</strong>, <span style="font-size: 10px">(13+ is paying $15)</span> it will be the biggest loss ever at Eden Park in the 98 years since it was first used... or at any home or neutral venue for that matter <span style="font-size: 10px">(matching/beating the record 15 pt loss to Australia in Wellington in August 1964)</span>.</p><p>In that case, New Zealand will drop below Australia in the rankings to at least 4th in the rankings - a record low <span style="font-size: 10px">(since the WR Rankings were introduced in 2003)</span>.</p><p></p><p>And yet... Steve Hansen <span style="font-size: 10px">(2012-now)</span> will still have an 83% win percentage. Just 2 pp below Graham Henry <span style="font-size: 10px">(2004-11, with Hansen as assistant coach)</span>, 3pp below Alex Wyllie <span style="font-size: 10px">(1988-91),</span> and better than everyone else in the last 50 years.</p><p></p><p></p><p>BTW I'm not saying Hansen should be held to this standard, of maintaining the records of his predecessors. <span style="font-size: 10px">(nothing lasts forever)</span>. I'm just figuring out what the stats will hypothetically look like, and wondering out loud what standard everyone else will hold him to once the World Cup is over. <span style="font-size: 10px">(with a good dose of cynicism about everyone else - i.e. talking heads and the public, not you guys!)</span></p><p></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 12px">PS... Turns out until last weekend there were only 6 times <a href="http://stats.espnscrum.com/statsguru/rugby/stats/index.html?class=1;differencemax1=-15;differenceval1=difference;filter=advanced;orderby=difference;orderbyad=reverse;result=2;team=8;template=results;type=team;view=match" target="_blank">New Zealand has lost by 15+ anywhere to anyone ever</a>. Never twice under the same coach and never by more than 3 scores. I did not know that!</span></em></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Brigantine, post: 952755, member: 73940"] If Hansen delivers on the RWC 3peat, he will be forgiven for anything else that happens. But what if he doesn't win the RWC? Then what will he be judged on? [SIZE=2](for reference, Hansen has been head coach since 2012, and assistant coach since 2004)[/SIZE] [U][I] Here are the Golden Era records and stats at stake in this game...[/I][/U] [B]Even if the ABs win this weekend[/B], [SIZE=2](paying $1.17)[/SIZE] we will most likely lose the top rankings spot in the next 2 weeks [SIZE=2](to whoever wins out of Wales, Ireland or Enlgand, unless they draw)[/SIZE]. That #1 ranking we've enjoyed since November 2009. Last week we already got the worst TRC result since 2004 [SIZE=2](3rd place)[/SIZE], and equaled the record biggest loss to any opposition ever [SIZE=2](to Australia by 21 points in August 1999 in Sydney)[/SIZE]. That much is probably still survivable for Hansen. [B]If we draw this weekend[/B], we will lose the Bledisloe Cup which we've held since 2003, and [SIZE=2](unless Wales and England draw)[/SIZE] we'll drop to 3rd in the rankings, also for the first time since 2003. Until the draw with the Lions in 2017, we had won every game at Eden Park since August 1994 [SIZE=2](draw with South Africa)[/SIZE]. There were 4 coaches in between that won every Eden Park game [SIZE=2](from John Hart to Graham Henry)[/SIZE]. [B]And if the Wallabies win[/B], [SIZE=2](paying $4.65)[/SIZE] it will be the first time in NZ since August 2011 [SIZE=2](in Dunedin by 8 points)[/SIZE], the first time at Eden Park since September 1986 [SIZE=2](by 13 points)[/SIZE], and the end of the unbeaten record there since July 1994 [SIZE=2](lost by 3 to France)[/SIZE]. [B]If we happen to lose by 15+[/B], [SIZE=2](13+ is paying $15)[/SIZE] it will be the biggest loss ever at Eden Park in the 98 years since it was first used... or at any home or neutral venue for that matter [SIZE=2](matching/beating the record 15 pt loss to Australia in Wellington in August 1964)[/SIZE]. In that case, New Zealand will drop below Australia in the rankings to at least 4th in the rankings - a record low [SIZE=2](since the WR Rankings were introduced in 2003)[/SIZE]. And yet... Steve Hansen [SIZE=2](2012-now)[/SIZE] will still have an 83% win percentage. Just 2 pp below Graham Henry [SIZE=2](2004-11, with Hansen as assistant coach)[/SIZE], 3pp below Alex Wyllie [SIZE=2](1988-91),[/SIZE] and better than everyone else in the last 50 years. BTW I'm not saying Hansen should be held to this standard, of maintaining the records of his predecessors. [SIZE=2](nothing lasts forever)[/SIZE]. I'm just figuring out what the stats will hypothetically look like, and wondering out loud what standard everyone else will hold him to once the World Cup is over. [SIZE=2](with a good dose of cynicism about everyone else - i.e. talking heads and the public, not you guys!)[/SIZE] [I][SIZE=3]PS... Turns out until last weekend there were only 6 times [URL='http://stats.espnscrum.com/statsguru/rugby/stats/index.html?class=1;differencemax1=-15;differenceval1=difference;filter=advanced;orderby=difference;orderbyad=reverse;result=2;team=8;template=results;type=team;view=match']New Zealand has lost by 15+ anywhere to anyone ever[/URL]. Never twice under the same coach and never by more than 3 scores. I did not know that![/SIZE][/I] [/QUOTE]
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