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<blockquote data-quote="ncurd" data-source="post: 1001307" data-attributes="member: 72205"><p>Its about impact more than anything else the American's make most other countries outside of a completely authoritarian state look like a bunch of unpatriotic dickweeds.</p><p></p><p>Protest is a weird thing if you don't do something to shock nobody listens. Kapernick has achieved his entire goal he was a borderline QB (there is genuine debate about whether he was dropped for not being good enough among NFL fans I know who support his actions) who made his voice become an international name. He's achived his goals but he wasn't sticking a middle finger up or turning his back.</p><p></p><p>We talked a lot about gestures here, isn't being forced to stand, put your hand on your heart and listen to the national anthem exactly what people railing against being forced to take a knee are arguing against?</p><p></p><p>It comes down to what are you saying by your actions Kaperneck is clear he was doing it to highlight a problem so it could be talked about, people not taking a knee are muddled at best. Even the few saying it for religion decided to do so like days after the incident which is why there is questioning about it and true motives. Take Heineiken hes willing to say he doesn't support BLM (we might disagree on what BLM is and thats the point of difference but there willingness when challenged to articulate that) these playes though they are just hiding behind religion and not really addressing the issue.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm moving off here the key thing is, is it direspectful? Kindof it was a tame thing but then it was the point.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ncurd, post: 1001307, member: 72205"] Its about impact more than anything else the American's make most other countries outside of a completely authoritarian state look like a bunch of unpatriotic dickweeds. Protest is a weird thing if you don't do something to shock nobody listens. Kapernick has achieved his entire goal he was a borderline QB (there is genuine debate about whether he was dropped for not being good enough among NFL fans I know who support his actions) who made his voice become an international name. He's achived his goals but he wasn't sticking a middle finger up or turning his back. We talked a lot about gestures here, isn't being forced to stand, put your hand on your heart and listen to the national anthem exactly what people railing against being forced to take a knee are arguing against? It comes down to what are you saying by your actions Kaperneck is clear he was doing it to highlight a problem so it could be talked about, people not taking a knee are muddled at best. Even the few saying it for religion decided to do so like days after the incident which is why there is questioning about it and true motives. Take Heineiken hes willing to say he doesn't support BLM (we might disagree on what BLM is and thats the point of difference but there willingness when challenged to articulate that) these playes though they are just hiding behind religion and not really addressing the issue. I'm moving off here the key thing is, is it direspectful? Kindof it was a tame thing but then it was the point. [/QUOTE]
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