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<blockquote data-quote="dullonien" data-source="post: 1001559" data-attributes="member: 13739"><p>Is there anywhere that specifically states that Premiership/Pro 14 players are specifically supporting BLM during these acts before a game? I've only seen the 'rugby against racism' slogan used. Surely that's something everyone can get behind?</p><p></p><p>Also, one more thing on the religion aspect of kneeling. If this were the sole reason for not kneeling (as some players have suggested), why can they not kneel in prayer to god at this time, praying for racism to be abolished?</p><p></p><p>I'm sorry but I'm really struggling to understand why anyone wouldn't kneel for such an important cause. I know the situation is very different in SA, but is there no solidarity/understanding with the millions of black people around the world who are affected by racism inc. in SA? How about any black team mates that have had the misfortune of being marginalised based on their race?</p><p></p><p>Imo the racial discrimination message of BLM (even if we put the police brutality aspect to one side for now) far outweighs any negative aspects of the BLM movement, which has been hijacked by a small minority of people who are pushing their own agenda's. I mean this isn't unique to BLM, just look at most mainstream religions!</p><p></p><p>I understand the argument that kneeling shouldn't be some compulsory gesture, however the symbolism and power such a simple gesture gives is far greater than the wearing of a t-shirt etc. I'd compare it to the 2 minute silence on remembrance day. Yes wearing a poppy is a lovely gesture, but the impact of everyone staying silent for 2 minutes is massive. IMO it's a shame that rugby hasn't portrayed a united front on this. As a result the message has been muddied, and if I was looking on as an impressionable kid who might have racist role models around me (family/friends), this wouldn't convince me that my rugby idols as a whole fully oppose racism.</p><p></p><p>I know that's not the intention of those players who didn't kneel, but it's probably the message being portrayed regardless.</p><p></p><p>I will end by saying that despite this being the way I feel, I still respect the right for people to have their own opposing views, and for people not to kneel. I might not fully understand the reasoning behind it, but I still respect it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dullonien, post: 1001559, member: 13739"] Is there anywhere that specifically states that Premiership/Pro 14 players are specifically supporting BLM during these acts before a game? I've only seen the 'rugby against racism' slogan used. Surely that's something everyone can get behind? Also, one more thing on the religion aspect of kneeling. If this were the sole reason for not kneeling (as some players have suggested), why can they not kneel in prayer to god at this time, praying for racism to be abolished? I'm sorry but I'm really struggling to understand why anyone wouldn't kneel for such an important cause. I know the situation is very different in SA, but is there no solidarity/understanding with the millions of black people around the world who are affected by racism inc. in SA? How about any black team mates that have had the misfortune of being marginalised based on their race? Imo the racial discrimination message of BLM (even if we put the police brutality aspect to one side for now) far outweighs any negative aspects of the BLM movement, which has been hijacked by a small minority of people who are pushing their own agenda's. I mean this isn't unique to BLM, just look at most mainstream religions! I understand the argument that kneeling shouldn't be some compulsory gesture, however the symbolism and power such a simple gesture gives is far greater than the wearing of a t-shirt etc. I'd compare it to the 2 minute silence on remembrance day. Yes wearing a poppy is a lovely gesture, but the impact of everyone staying silent for 2 minutes is massive. IMO it's a shame that rugby hasn't portrayed a united front on this. As a result the message has been muddied, and if I was looking on as an impressionable kid who might have racist role models around me (family/friends), this wouldn't convince me that my rugby idols as a whole fully oppose racism. I know that's not the intention of those players who didn't kneel, but it's probably the message being portrayed regardless. I will end by saying that despite this being the way I feel, I still respect the right for people to have their own opposing views, and for people not to kneel. I might not fully understand the reasoning behind it, but I still respect it. [/QUOTE]
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