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<blockquote data-quote="TRF_heineken" data-source="post: 1001573" data-attributes="member: 40658"><p>I'm sure they do kneel now and pray, but on their own terms. To kneel as a compulsory gesture at a certain point and time when others do that to show support for the BLM-movement, would be defeating the purpose of each player's own choice and freedom.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Why does there have to be a difference between the BLM movement and any other movement against Racism. What about coloured people who were just as much victims during apartheid as black people. Who are now being marginalised by black and white people. Why isn't there a CLM-movement?</p><p></p><p>To umbrella racism in it's totality, to me, is a much better way to go, than to show support for just one shade of colour. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I guess this is totally dependant on the media outlets, and how people became aware of the movement. Many people jumped on the BLM bandwagon immdeiately after the incident happened with George Floyd. and have been campaigning ever since.</p><p></p><p>Others are against the movement because of the reports of Floyd's criminal history and the violence he's been found guilty on. There have also been posts circulating on social media, that the co-founder of the BLM-movement is a human-trafficker, and that there is a real big irony in that human trafficking is the modern day slave trade.</p><p></p><p>I would be careful to compare this kind of movement to that of religion. That's just a big can of worms I don't think anyone wants to open...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It wasn't just the t-shirt though. Standing in unison together arms interlocked, people of different races standing together. But that's lost on most BLM-movement followers because the "Rugby against Racism"-guys didn't kneel.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Oh I don't know, I think most kids who are looking up to players like Faf de Klerk, Lood De Jager and Manu Tuilagi would still respect them after standing together. And I also think some of the older kids, who knows a little bit of politics would appreciate the gesture that these guys aren't using their profession and love of the sport to score political points.</p><p></p><p>The fact that these guys are getting death threats after they didn't kneel, speaks volumes about some of the BLM-movement followers. Yet, we haven't seen a single article stating that the guys showing support for the BLM movement also got death threats.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I fully understand your point of view. I guess I'm completely on the opposite side of this, kneeling for anything other than to ask your loved one to marry you, or praying to the Almighty, or to be knighted, or to swear fealty to Khaleesi, is kind of taking away the enormity of the gesture itself.</p><p></p><p>But I understand that the people that started this gesture for BLM, couldn't think of another gesture at that time, or didn't even consider the weight that this gesture has for others...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TRF_heineken, post: 1001573, member: 40658"] I'm sure they do kneel now and pray, but on their own terms. To kneel as a compulsory gesture at a certain point and time when others do that to show support for the BLM-movement, would be defeating the purpose of each player's own choice and freedom. Why does there have to be a difference between the BLM movement and any other movement against Racism. What about coloured people who were just as much victims during apartheid as black people. Who are now being marginalised by black and white people. Why isn't there a CLM-movement? To umbrella racism in it's totality, to me, is a much better way to go, than to show support for just one shade of colour. I guess this is totally dependant on the media outlets, and how people became aware of the movement. Many people jumped on the BLM bandwagon immdeiately after the incident happened with George Floyd. and have been campaigning ever since. Others are against the movement because of the reports of Floyd's criminal history and the violence he's been found guilty on. There have also been posts circulating on social media, that the co-founder of the BLM-movement is a human-trafficker, and that there is a real big irony in that human trafficking is the modern day slave trade. I would be careful to compare this kind of movement to that of religion. That's just a big can of worms I don't think anyone wants to open... It wasn't just the t-shirt though. Standing in unison together arms interlocked, people of different races standing together. But that's lost on most BLM-movement followers because the "Rugby against Racism"-guys didn't kneel. Oh I don't know, I think most kids who are looking up to players like Faf de Klerk, Lood De Jager and Manu Tuilagi would still respect them after standing together. And I also think some of the older kids, who knows a little bit of politics would appreciate the gesture that these guys aren't using their profession and love of the sport to score political points. The fact that these guys are getting death threats after they didn't kneel, speaks volumes about some of the BLM-movement followers. Yet, we haven't seen a single article stating that the guys showing support for the BLM movement also got death threats. I fully understand your point of view. I guess I'm completely on the opposite side of this, kneeling for anything other than to ask your loved one to marry you, or praying to the Almighty, or to be knighted, or to swear fealty to Khaleesi, is kind of taking away the enormity of the gesture itself. But I understand that the people that started this gesture for BLM, couldn't think of another gesture at that time, or didn't even consider the weight that this gesture has for others... [/QUOTE]
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