Menu
Forums
New posts
Search forums
What's new
New posts
Latest activity
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles and first posts only
Search titles only
By:
New posts
Search forums
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Help Support The Rugby Forum :
Forums
Rugby Union
General Rugby Union
Brian Moore-WHY?
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Macsen" data-source="post: 184612"><p>I think the languages are quite different, two branches of the same tree as it where. But you don't call Scottish Gaelic just 'scottish' because it's never been spoken by the majority of people in Scotland, just Irish migrants to the highlands, while Irish and Welsh are 'homegrown' languages that were spoken in every pocket of those countries a little over a century ago, so I think they deserve the ***les 'Irish' and 'Welsh'.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Some may not agree but I think Scots is a dialect. If you can understand 95% of it without a single lesson, I think it's fair to say it's a dialect rather than a seperate language. I can understand some 25% of Cornish and Breton, slightly more than an English speaker could understand of French, so they're probably seperate languages rather than dialects.</p><p></p><p>I think Ulster Scots has a lot to do with unionists there thinking Irish was being used as a weapon to hit them with and they just wanted their own language to hit back. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>From what I can see though you probably know better than me rugby isn't considered a very Irish sport in Ireland and that's where all the fuss about using Croke Park stems from. In Wales, despite the sport's origins in England, rugby is considered the welshest sport. Possible because a very similar game called Cnapan was played in Wales since the middle ages, which contained scrummages and lineouts and the like.</p><p></p><p>Despite football being the more popular sport in the north of wales that's mostly because of the proximity of clubs such as Liverpool and Manchester and there's little welsh speaking culture surrounding football like there is rugby. So you have the irony of a region where most people speak welsh enjoying a game with no welsh and a region where few people speak welsh enjoying a game with strong welsh speaking roots.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Macsen, post: 184612"] I think the languages are quite different, two branches of the same tree as it where. But you don't call Scottish Gaelic just 'scottish' because it's never been spoken by the majority of people in Scotland, just Irish migrants to the highlands, while Irish and Welsh are 'homegrown' languages that were spoken in every pocket of those countries a little over a century ago, so I think they deserve the ***les 'Irish' and 'Welsh'. Some may not agree but I think Scots is a dialect. If you can understand 95% of it without a single lesson, I think it's fair to say it's a dialect rather than a seperate language. I can understand some 25% of Cornish and Breton, slightly more than an English speaker could understand of French, so they're probably seperate languages rather than dialects. I think Ulster Scots has a lot to do with unionists there thinking Irish was being used as a weapon to hit them with and they just wanted their own language to hit back. :) From what I can see though you probably know better than me rugby isn't considered a very Irish sport in Ireland and that's where all the fuss about using Croke Park stems from. In Wales, despite the sport's origins in England, rugby is considered the welshest sport. Possible because a very similar game called Cnapan was played in Wales since the middle ages, which contained scrummages and lineouts and the like. Despite football being the more popular sport in the north of wales that's mostly because of the proximity of clubs such as Liverpool and Manchester and there's little welsh speaking culture surrounding football like there is rugby. So you have the irony of a region where most people speak welsh enjoying a game with no welsh and a region where few people speak welsh enjoying a game with strong welsh speaking roots. [/QUOTE]
Verification
Post reply
Forums
Rugby Union
General Rugby Union
Brian Moore-WHY?
Top