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<blockquote data-quote="Which Tyler" data-source="post: 865672" data-attributes="member: 73592"><p>I'm only arguing the protocol point, I have an opinion on the matters of opinion, and that everything from penalty against red to penalty against black are all correct.</p><p></p><p>On protocol, you still need to show me a protocol that was broken.</p><p>TMO showed play that was directly connected with the play the TMO was rightly asked to look at, footage just continued for a fraction of a second and gave more information.</p><p>TMO was not asked to show Owens collecting the ball, and did not comment on Owens collecting the ball.</p><p>Polite and Garces absolutely ARE allowed, and encouraged to look at all that pictures and their own initial view, and decide in accordance. No ref is required to ignore evidence seen when deciding what any decision should be.</p><p></p><p>Again, no protocol was broken here, which is the be all and end all of my involvement here.</p><p></p><p>You seem to think that a ref isn't allowed to change his mind after consulting with his TJ or seeing replays on the big screen. If so, them you are outright wrong.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, I'm sure that were the teams swapped then there's would be some lions fans making the same arguments the AB fans are making - they'd be wrong too!</p><p></p><p></p><p>Initially the claimed break with protocol was that Poite referred to the TMO for accidental or deliberate offside. This didn't happen.</p><p>Then the break in protocol was that TMO commented on it anyway. Which also didn't happen.</p><p>Then the break in protocol was that Poite changed his mind. Which isn't a break in protocol.</p><p>Are you really now claiming that the break in protocol is that the footage shown should have stopped 0.2 seconds earlier than it did? Or that Poite and Garces should only have consulted before the replays were seen? Because neither of those things are against protocol.</p><p></p><p></p><p>At some point you'll have to either find a protocol that was broken, or accept that protocol was followed, and that you don't like the decision (whether you agree with it or not).</p><p>I have no problem with having a different opinion on a matter of opinion (was the serial challenge legal? Was Owen's involvement deliberate or accidental etc), but to claim that protocols weren't followed then that needs to be demonstrated.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Which Tyler, post: 865672, member: 73592"] I'm only arguing the protocol point, I have an opinion on the matters of opinion, and that everything from penalty against red to penalty against black are all correct. On protocol, you still need to show me a protocol that was broken. TMO showed play that was directly connected with the play the TMO was rightly asked to look at, footage just continued for a fraction of a second and gave more information. TMO was not asked to show Owens collecting the ball, and did not comment on Owens collecting the ball. Polite and Garces absolutely ARE allowed, and encouraged to look at all that pictures and their own initial view, and decide in accordance. No ref is required to ignore evidence seen when deciding what any decision should be. Again, no protocol was broken here, which is the be all and end all of my involvement here. You seem to think that a ref isn't allowed to change his mind after consulting with his TJ or seeing replays on the big screen. If so, them you are outright wrong. Yes, I'm sure that were the teams swapped then there's would be some lions fans making the same arguments the AB fans are making - they'd be wrong too! Initially the claimed break with protocol was that Poite referred to the TMO for accidental or deliberate offside. This didn't happen. Then the break in protocol was that TMO commented on it anyway. Which also didn't happen. Then the break in protocol was that Poite changed his mind. Which isn't a break in protocol. Are you really now claiming that the break in protocol is that the footage shown should have stopped 0.2 seconds earlier than it did? Or that Poite and Garces should only have consulted before the replays were seen? Because neither of those things are against protocol. At some point you'll have to either find a protocol that was broken, or accept that protocol was followed, and that you don't like the decision (whether you agree with it or not). I have no problem with having a different opinion on a matter of opinion (was the serial challenge legal? Was Owen's involvement deliberate or accidental etc), but to claim that protocols weren't followed then that needs to be demonstrated. [/QUOTE]
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