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<blockquote data-quote="Mrs. Peter Quinn" data-source="post: 866941" data-attributes="member: 12190"><p>This is where you're simplifying - he's not committed - if you watch it back closely you will see that it is <strong>after </strong>Sinkler jumps that Faumuina beings the actual motion of his tackle. I agree however that he has very little time to react. Owens had very little time to react too, especially when you take into account confusion in the moment such as 'who touched the ball', 'where exactly was I when he touched it' etc..</p><p></p><p>Overall I can understand people not being happy with the decision, particularly with the manner in which it was made. There should be no way that a captain can talk a referee down from the penalty as well.</p><p></p><p>However, the outcome itself shows an empathy for the situation that is hard to disagree with for me. We all know that the game is in danger of becoming farcical because officials appear bound to implement the rulebook, and most if not all of us complain about it. It's the same principle at stake when a ball carrier slips into the tackle and then gets taken high, therefore winning a penalty for his team with the tackler (often) carded. Referees will reiterate their need to protect the player and the fact that this binds them, before brandishing the card or giving the penalty. Tackles in the air are often carded 'on outcome' to determine their colour., because of the same duty to protect. The clusterfuck between officials was a worrying sign, but for me the ability to use discretion is the way forward for the professional game as it becomes increasingly physical and skilled. And yes, another example would be the meaning of the words 'accidental offside'. I know very well what the rulebook says, but I don't particularly blame Poite for extending this to the following considerations: 'the player did not intend to commit foul play', there was no 'professional element' (such as depriving the opposition of the ball in an advantageous position),' 'reaction window was minimal', and 'he dropped the ball immediately to show there was no intent to commit a foul'.</p><p></p><p>Despite all the partisan arguing, who here actually wants to see penalties for scenarios such as Faumuina and Owens, particularly when it is going to determine the outcome of a great test series? If you do, why? The way I'm thinking of these incidents is to estimate how many of the other 28 players on the pitch, in those same scenarios, would NOT have given away those penalties. I think the answer is "Very few, perhaps none", and for me we should be able to use that diagnostic test to bring in some empathy to the officiating. The PROCESS by which they arrived at that decision was terrrrrible, no doubt.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mrs. Peter Quinn, post: 866941, member: 12190"] This is where you're simplifying - he's not committed - if you watch it back closely you will see that it is [B]after [/B]Sinkler jumps that Faumuina beings the actual motion of his tackle. I agree however that he has very little time to react. Owens had very little time to react too, especially when you take into account confusion in the moment such as 'who touched the ball', 'where exactly was I when he touched it' etc.. Overall I can understand people not being happy with the decision, particularly with the manner in which it was made. There should be no way that a captain can talk a referee down from the penalty as well. However, the outcome itself shows an empathy for the situation that is hard to disagree with for me. We all know that the game is in danger of becoming farcical because officials appear bound to implement the rulebook, and most if not all of us complain about it. It's the same principle at stake when a ball carrier slips into the tackle and then gets taken high, therefore winning a penalty for his team with the tackler (often) carded. Referees will reiterate their need to protect the player and the fact that this binds them, before brandishing the card or giving the penalty. Tackles in the air are often carded 'on outcome' to determine their colour., because of the same duty to protect. The clusterfuck between officials was a worrying sign, but for me the ability to use discretion is the way forward for the professional game as it becomes increasingly physical and skilled. And yes, another example would be the meaning of the words 'accidental offside'. I know very well what the rulebook says, but I don't particularly blame Poite for extending this to the following considerations: 'the player did not intend to commit foul play', there was no 'professional element' (such as depriving the opposition of the ball in an advantageous position),' 'reaction window was minimal', and 'he dropped the ball immediately to show there was no intent to commit a foul'. Despite all the partisan arguing, who here actually wants to see penalties for scenarios such as Faumuina and Owens, particularly when it is going to determine the outcome of a great test series? If you do, why? The way I'm thinking of these incidents is to estimate how many of the other 28 players on the pitch, in those same scenarios, would NOT have given away those penalties. I think the answer is "Very few, perhaps none", and for me we should be able to use that diagnostic test to bring in some empathy to the officiating. The PROCESS by which they arrived at that decision was terrrrrible, no doubt. [/QUOTE]
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